I'm not a communist lol.

again steal from the rich to pay for the poor does not work. there is no incentive for the poor to improve or become better

Retard doesn't know basic economics and thinks he can't comment on it.

that is why hand outs never work

>steal from rich

>handouts

Our current programs influence our Americans to stay poor, once they pass a certain income level they lose their benefits. With UBI they can get a job w/o worrying about losing their aid.

Do you know what VAT is?

And do you know what subsidies are?

Yeaaaah except that time Keynesian economics saved the world economy

The benefits job creation, consumerism, which fuels the economy and benefits every business.

Wait that was several times

dot dot dot

hur dur, give everyone free money because they exist

Pelth, explain UBI to me.

no strings attached, free money

"free money"

There is no such thing as free money.

yes

Yes, you agree?

Then why did you say it.

you're the ones arguing for it

@Shockwave don't bother he doesn't understand economics

See how this is pointless

I ~~spent~~ wasted over an hour talking to him last night about why the Trump Ukraine scandal is valid.

Any of his evidence or reasons for what he believes was built on a foundation of nothingness.

Which is why you can't just watch liberals get owned videos and become an expert.

@Pelth Maybe you'll learn something. https://youtu.be/ULG2sCqBLuk

most people have no value to society

they just shouldn't even be around, much less supported

they are leeches

How so?

their net cost to society is higher than their net value

When you say "most people have no value to society" can you justify this.

oh boy

Yes, give me some statistics.

And what classes as "no value".

Based on what I just read the VAT tax has had mixed success world wide. It has potential to create higher tax revenue for governments but increased the cost of products basically driving inflation because ultimately it is always the consumer that pays the tax. I still say this is a heavily bureaucratic burden on businesses. The better solution is to create more better paying jobs thus increasing the tax paying base. we also would not need to raise taxes if the government reduced spending and got rid of the debt.

We wouldn't need to raise taxes if our countries most successful companies actually paid their taxes...

my source: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/valueaddedtax.asp

you're living in a fantasy land fetty