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2019-11-17 18:18:17 UTC  

What do you define as unearned income?

2019-11-17 18:18:32 UTC  

because welfare is unearned income but marx wholly supported that

2019-11-17 18:18:34 UTC  

My view is one thing. Marx more or less looked at 'non work' as unearned

2019-11-17 18:18:55 UTC  

The elite that marx wanted to eliminate worked

2019-11-17 18:19:04 UTC  

not really, they were rentier

2019-11-17 18:19:16 UTC  

they worked jobs were not as exploited or as dangerous

2019-11-17 18:19:19 UTC  

but they worked

2019-11-17 18:19:24 UTC  

nah that's not what marx was talking about

2019-11-17 18:19:32 UTC  

in fact they worked jobs that workers at the time werent intelligent enough to do

2019-11-17 18:19:38 UTC  

You keep saying that

2019-11-17 18:19:43 UTC  

yea cuz it's true lol

2019-11-17 18:19:56 UTC  

Marx was talking about capital, stock owners bond owners, primarily

2019-11-17 18:19:59 UTC  

not skilled labor

2019-11-17 18:20:02 UTC  

but it is precisely the goal of Marxism without getting ultra specific

2019-11-17 18:20:44 UTC  

A more sophisticated modern-day "Marx" might look at the federal reserve's balance sheet and point the finger at those stock owners who got their bad paper bailed out

2019-11-17 18:21:01 UTC  

or the corporate farmers getting bailouts or the carry-trade

2019-11-17 18:21:20 UTC  

Corporate farmers!

2019-11-17 18:21:36 UTC  

(getting bailouts)

2019-11-17 18:22:10 UTC  

With more sophistication, I think marx would understand things better, the pricing of risk etc, to arrive at a justification for stocks and bonds, but he would be against the socialization of risk

2019-11-17 18:22:19 UTC  

like Nassim Taleb is today or Steve Keen

2019-11-17 18:22:31 UTC  

The most hard working people in America are suddenly people with obvious unearned income, and while im not a huge fan of bailouts, they can be necessary in making sure the economy stays in balance

2019-11-17 18:22:38 UTC  

His economic tool kit was limited, built on the English classicals and they were not very good

2019-11-17 18:23:41 UTC  

He would be smarter than that, he pre-dated futures contracts and all the risk analysis that has come from learning them, he would understand some people are socializing their risks on society and not 'earning' the income of those capital gains or coupon payments

2019-11-17 18:24:01 UTC  

He's still quoted by modenr day economists for that reason, he 'got it' just not in depth

2019-11-17 18:26:37 UTC  

and nah the bailouts are not necessary for that at all, they do the exact opposite

2019-11-17 18:27:00 UTC  

the whole point of capitalism is the creative destruction that comes from poorly run businesses going bankrupt, out of business, and their assets sold off

2019-11-17 18:27:47 UTC  

Nobody would rail against bailouts harder than karl marx, they are the epitome of the 'worst of both worlds': private profits, socialized losses

2019-11-17 18:28:14 UTC  

Why have 3 big automakers when we can have 300 smaller yeoman car makers!

2019-11-17 18:42:54 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098448640278539/645695368591441930/Screenshot_124.png

2019-11-17 18:43:51 UTC  

Keen explaining a few pieces of Marx's written bits on complexity

2019-11-17 20:27:22 UTC  

gross

2019-11-17 21:16:29 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098448640278539/645734023833976835/fredgraph_1.png

2019-11-17 21:43:06 UTC  

<:political_thinking:583244726040264704>

2019-11-17 21:54:30 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098448640278539/645743585383153666/Screenshot_125.png

2019-11-17 21:55:26 UTC  

Fed was starting to shrink the balance sheet, Trump brow beat them until they started expanding it again, QE4 baby, i traded that

2019-11-17 21:55:32 UTC  

along with the rate cut

2019-11-17 21:59:19 UTC  

that trend of workers' share of gdp is scary, and the turn around that was happening 'under Obama' seems like it will start declining since the tax cuts are and gov deficit growth isn't being paired with any real populist gov spending

2019-11-17 22:00:08 UTC  

```The U.S. government’s budget deficit ballooned to nearly $1 trillion in 2019, the Treasury Department announced Friday, as the United States’ fiscal imbalance widened for a fourth consecutive year despite a sustained run of economic growth. The deficit grew $205 billion, or 26 percent, in the past year.

The country’s worsening fiscal picture runs in sharp contrast to President Trump’s campaign promise to eliminate the federal debt within eight years. The deficit is up nearly 50 percent in the Trump era. Since taking office, Trump has endorsed big spending increases and steered most Republicans to abandon the deficit obsession they held during the Obama administration.```

2019-11-17 22:00:42 UTC  

usually gov incomes soar during boom times