My definition of violence: - the use of physical force so as to injure, damage, or destroy. There was no injury, no damage, and nothing destroyed, so damn right this was not an act of violence, but by your standards, I would assume you consider silence to be violence as well. Secondly, busy reading the links you sent me, it's all jokes really, like for example:

"This area is hard to study in the home, because spanking rarely occurs at all and rarely in front of strangers. It is hard to study in the laboratory because of the prohibition against hurting subjects.

Nevertheless, some studies have been done."

Really? what studies were done then?

1. Spanking destroys mental health. - What kind of statement is that even?
2. Spanking increases delinquency and criminal behavior. - Quite the opposite, learning to respect authority keeps one away from delinquency and criminal behavior.
3. Spanking makes it more likely the child will be physically abused. - What even? Kids with no boundaries and respect for authority are more likely to be aggresive and get into trouble with authorities and met with force.

And lastly, you have years of history proving the point. Plenty of people today that grew up in the past can testify this shit never happened, kids also didnt smoke on school grounds, neither were teen girls pregnant in school at the rate they are now...

Getting spanked = Stupidity

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Pretty much, it's only for the deserving lol, any other forms of physical punishment out of say, soemthing like venting frustration or anger, that would be considered abuse.

Read the second study I posted. It cites a study that actually measures brain size differences between children that are spanked versus non-spanked. In science, personal anecdotes are the weakest form of evidence. No scientific paper would ever be accepted based on the fact that you found a few people who believe spanking did not hurt them.

Most psychologists would also say that spanked children and later adults tend to downplay or deny negative effect caused by parents even in severe cases. Most people would not even realise their own flaws that are the result of poor parenting strategies. Spanking makes parents lazy when they should be negotiating with their kids like we do with adults.

The problem today is massive degredation of the family. Single parent households and bad parents lead to bad kids. Poorer communities are having more kids than we have ever seen in the past which was probably less of a problem when you were in school. You probably went to schools when there was a lower divorce rate, more middle class kids and schools are obviously much worse today than 10-15 years ago. Poorer communities tend to produce unruly kids for various reasons. Kids also learn bad behaviour from other kids. Schooling has gotten quite bad in SA. Quality has gone down.

When you are old and in a nursing home. If you are behaving badly due to mental problems and spanking works on you. Should the elderly be spanked and threatened if it works?

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>Spanking is bad

Wew

Nobody gets spanked here, I never did. I got a proper hiding when I behaved like a little cunt

Yeah I read it, not sold on it... But since you want a journal with a study, found one, more recent too, 2013 as opposed to your 1983-1002 studies, but let me give you the break down, and then i will share the journal.

Short-Term Studies
The only studies that meet the most rigorous requirements for evidence-based medical practice are clinical field trials conducted with clinically oppositional children. To determine which back-up or enforcer procedure was most effective in controlling a child’s escape from time-out, a spank procedure was tested against 3 other procedures in randomized clinical field trials. The two-swat spank procedure was found to be the most effective, most preferred and most practical of all measures tested. Research similarly found “a mild spanking to be the most feasible back-up for the child leaving the time-out chair.” Even though these studies focused on spanking only as an enforcer of time-out, they are significant for other reasons:

> They are well-designed, randomized, clinical field studies that compare spanking to other responses.

> The problem behavior of noncompliance with time-out is very similar to other types of problem behaviors a defiant child might display. These studies offer evidence of spanking’s effectiveness in changing problem behavior.

> The effectiveness of time-out is crucial to most behavioral parenting programs. The spank procedure can strengthen time-out’s effectiveness and reduce a parent’s need to use spanking independently or primarily.

Long-Term Studies
The long-term effects of any disciplinary measure, including spanking, are enormously influenced by the parental and environmental factors within the disciplinary process. The following parenting styles were identified:

Authoritarian Parents: were more controlling, more restrictive, less inclined to explain, more punitive, detached, and less warm. To discipline they used fear, little encouragement and often corporal punishment.

Permissive Parents: were markedly less controlling, minimally demanding, freely granting of the child’s demands, uninvolved with the child, and benign toward the child’s impulses and actions. To discipline they used ridicule, guilt provocation, little power and reasoning, and rarely corporal punishment.

Authoritative Parents: employed a combination of firm control and positive encouragement of a child’s independence. They affirmed the child’s qualities and, yet, set a standard for future conduct. They made reasonable demands of their children and promoted respect for authority. They were more consistent with the discipline. To discipline they used reasoning, power, reinforcement to achieve objectives, and some corporal punishment.

Some of the study’s findings included:

> The Authoritative parents who balanced firm control with encouragement reared the most socially responsible and assertive children, i.e. achievement orientation, friendliness toward peers, cooperativeness with adults, social dominance, nonconforming behavior and purposiveness.

> The Authoritative parents favored corporal punishment over other negative sanctions.

> Permissive parents (both mothers and fathers) admitted to “explosive attacks of rage in which they inflicted more pain or injury upon the child than they had intended.” They became more “violent because they felt they could neither control the child’s behavior nor tolerate its effect upon themselves.”

Punishment is an effective means of controlling childhood behavior, and is not intrinsically harmful to the child.

and then here is a journal too http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.2466/15.10.49.PR0.112.3.933-975

And this was just a brief search too, I bet i could find many more if I actually invested the time to prove what I am already convinced of from witnessing it in reality.

"When you are old and in a nursing home. If you are behaving badly due to mental problems and spanking works on you. Should the elderly be spanked and threatened if it works?"

LOL!! You clearly dont understand any of this if this is your real world example... This is not how it works lol

"The problem today is massive degredation of the family. Single parent households and bad parents lead to bad kids. Poorer communities are having more kids than we have ever seen in the past which was probably less of a problem when you were in school."

Yeah this is a real issue, we call it the liberal issue, tolerating the intolerable

"The problem today is massive degredation of the family. Single parent households and bad parents lead to bad kids. Poorer communities are having more kids than we have ever seen in the past which was probably less of a problem when you were in school. You probably went to schools when there was a lower divorce rate, more middle class kids and schools are obviously much worse today than 10-15 years ago. Poorer communities tend to produce unruly kids for various reasons. Kids also learn bad behaviour from other kids. Schooling has gotten quite bad in SA. Quality has gone down."

Actually you know what, that whole paragraph I agree with. All the more reason things were better back then than it is today.

And I will leave my comments at that and call it a night, otherwise I dont get any sleep again tonight.

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saying that spanking makes kids violent is bullshit, people are naturally violent

always have been, always will be

@Sheamus This will probably be my last post but just wanted to point this out. You cannot use that study to justify spanking according to the study's own limitations. They state so themselves in that same study. The study even says they have doubts that their results are generalisable to other countries. They studied american preschoolers for a very limited period, 7-8 years which does not measure long term effects that I am talking about:

"A third limitation was the inability to demonstrate a causal link between parenting and youth adjustment. In the same way that positive associations between physical discipline and maladjustment (delinquency and depressive symptoms) must not be used to claim that physical discipline causes maladjustment in other non-experimental studies, findings of positive associations between age-delimited physical discipline and competence in the present study must not be used to claim that age-delimited physical discipline causes competence."

Another gem of a quote from your study. They don't have evidence supporting school spanking:

"Nor should we expect the results to generalize to non-parental care-giving institutions such as schools or daycare centers. The dynamics of the parent–child relationship in which parents have responsibility for the child’s long-term well-being, and in biological families a genetic drive to protect the child, are very diff erent than the dynamics of short-term, non-biological caregiving relationships. "

@andrews2547 Agreed, by nature we are monsters, it's the authority of law being enforced that allows us to transcend that based degeneracy.

@Mr Wood Author statement:This research should not be used to encourage parents to spank for the sake of spanking. For many children, nonphysical discipline is sufficient. Parents should always try nonphysical discipline first. This research should be used to help prevent the legal banning of a disciplinary technique effective in reducing child noncompliance in clinical trials and used safely by many parents.

Like I said, just a brief search (10min maybe), I could find more if I really wanted to. Thank you for playing, and have a good evening 🙂

@Sheamus wow, the one author of that study gets destroyed by other researchers: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01494929.2017.1308899

We won't agree. We can probably both find research contradicting each other. I just want to encourage everyone else reading this to actually read a few research articles and meta studies from a diverse set of researchers. Pro-and-con spanking and make up your own minds. My argument is the behavioural problems are caused by issues related to family, schooling, society and poverty. Spanking is not going to solve those issues.

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20-25 years ago, spanking was seen as a bad thing and now we can have memes like that

that can't be a coincidence

True story @Apollo 😂

@Mr Wood that's all good and well, like, brief 10min or so search to prove the point that you can find anything to back up any argument. End of the day, it's what works and provides results. Back in the day, actually for centuries you've seen mankind and society rise up to the achievements we recognise today, and you can't say history was a walk in the park. That expression of what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger comes to mind.

End of the day, if you go from adult to adult who have been getting the corporal punishment treatment, you will find an overwhelming support for the good that it did them, myself including who got the shit beaten out of me, and I, like many others can look at that kid doing that and cringe at the thought of the repercussions that kid would have been faced with back in the day. Also today my mental health is not destroyed, I'm not a delinquent or even consider committing a crime, and I'm not subject to any abuse at all, other having my gender, race, sexuality etc increasingly threatened with hateful words and raging actions of violence.

You can throw a bunch of studies and fancy wording around that certainly can be convincing, but reality just has a way of surprising you.

I don't know what your age is, or your surroundings when you grew up, but me personally and people I've discussed this topic with world wide report the same observations. Kids today are monsters, and they don't know any better, better being boundaries, because there just isn't anything stopping them from crossing the line, and boy do they cross the line.. This student throwing water is rather underwhelming if you've watched and read about other incidents going on.

But yeah, let the people look into it themselves and decide for themselves.

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