Message from @micamike45

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2018-10-24 03:48:48 UTC  

That first part is eerily familiar

2018-10-24 03:48:58 UTC  

What he says to that white girl

2018-10-24 03:49:00 UTC  

only thing he said intelligent was knowing that black votes were for white liberals

2018-10-24 03:49:18 UTC  

This gives me a little bit of hope

2018-10-24 03:49:30 UTC  

If even Malcom X can eventually become less racist, maybe the left can, too

2018-10-24 03:49:35 UTC  

wow its almost like

2018-10-24 03:49:41 UTC  

malcom x wasnt for an ethnostate after all

2018-10-24 03:49:56 UTC  

This part is because he apparently changed his mind late in life

2018-10-24 03:49:58 UTC  

maybe pointless tribalism is worthless

2018-10-24 03:50:05 UTC  

and american exceptionalism is where it's at

2018-10-24 03:54:02 UTC  

So, I'll just come back to say that you seem to think that I was arguing for an ethnostate and I definitely wasn't. Just because DNA is different doesn't mean it's what countries should be based on.

2018-10-24 03:56:57 UTC  

Isn't that his point entirely?

2018-10-24 03:57:12 UTC  

All DNA is really different, ergo organizing society on it is foolish?

2018-10-24 03:57:37 UTC  

IDK, I'm not completely sure we actually disagreed

2018-10-24 04:00:49 UTC  

TBH I think e.g. Richard Spencer would resolve the mixed-race thing by just saying that cross-race breeding is a capital offense or something

2018-10-24 04:01:22 UTC  

Like, in a world carved up into ethno-states.

2018-10-24 04:01:39 UTC  

That seems pretty extreme.

2018-10-24 04:02:16 UTC  

As far as I can tell, he doesn't really have a theory of anything like rights

2018-10-24 04:02:25 UTC  

It seems more about survival/propagation

2018-10-24 04:02:37 UTC  

I mean, the whole Hispanic "race" is just mixed native/European

2018-10-24 04:03:18 UTC  

He might think they can have their own state or something, but that would get real complicated real fast

2018-10-24 04:03:31 UTC  

Yep.

2018-10-24 04:03:44 UTC  

Richard Spencer makes not sense to me

2018-10-24 04:04:31 UTC  

I dunno, just doesn't seem like the most stable basis for national foundations.

2018-10-24 04:04:55 UTC  

Just carve out a geographical area and form a distinct culture like all the other prosperous modern nations.

2018-10-24 04:05:20 UTC  

I'm sure he'd then argue that race and culture are inextricably linked, and that's another hour of my time gone.

2018-10-24 04:05:30 UTC  

Thanks, hypothetical Richard Spencer. I could have used that hypothetical hour.

2018-10-24 04:05:37 UTC  

He seems pretty intelligent to me, but also very wrong

2018-10-24 04:05:50 UTC  

I was very disappointed in the debate with him and Sargon and a few other folks

2018-10-24 04:06:06 UTC  

My understanding was that it wasn't very productive, yes.

2018-10-24 04:06:14 UTC  

They pretty much just called him names and never really addressed the substance of his point

2018-10-24 04:06:22 UTC  

Which kinda made him look like the smarter one

2018-10-24 04:07:04 UTC  

And he probably actually is, to be honest

2018-10-24 04:07:16 UTC  

But his particular points weren't even...that hard to answer

2018-10-24 04:07:54 UTC  

It just kinda felt like Sargon and friends had never really considered that e.g. people in power have a degree of impunity that regular citizens don't enjoy, generally speaking

2018-10-24 04:08:02 UTC  

Spencer understood that

2018-10-24 04:08:17 UTC  

He just seemed to not think it's bad per se, or not be in the hands of the right people, or something

2018-10-24 04:08:48 UTC  

I never actually got to know where he was going with that, because everyone just got flustered and just rejected that outright for some reason

2018-10-24 04:10:28 UTC  

I sometimes think I should familiarize myself more with Spencer's thought, as a "know-thy-enemy" exercise, but understanding the people that pose _serious_ threats drains me enough as it is

2018-10-24 04:11:04 UTC  

Yeah, it's pretty clear that Richard Spencer's movement is not going anywhere in the near future.

2018-10-24 04:12:16 UTC  

That's the biggest thing about the Spooky Alt-Right