maybe pointless tribalism is worthless

and american exceptionalism is where it's at

So, I'll just come back to say that you seem to think that I was arguing for an ethnostate and I definitely wasn't. Just because DNA is different doesn't mean it's what countries should be based on.

Isn't that his point entirely?

All DNA is really different, ergo organizing society on it is foolish?

IDK, I'm not completely sure we actually disagreed

TBH I think e.g. Richard Spencer would resolve the mixed-race thing by just saying that cross-race breeding is a capital offense or something

Like, in a world carved up into ethno-states.

That seems pretty extreme.

As far as I can tell, he doesn't really have a theory of anything like rights

It seems more about survival/propagation

I mean, the whole Hispanic "race" is just mixed native/European

He might think they can have their own state or something, but that would get real complicated real fast

Yep.

Richard Spencer makes not sense to me

I dunno, just doesn't seem like the most stable basis for national foundations.

Just carve out a geographical area and form a distinct culture like all the other prosperous modern nations.

I'm sure he'd then argue that race and culture are inextricably linked, and that's another hour of my time gone.

Thanks, hypothetical Richard Spencer. I could have used that hypothetical hour.

He seems pretty intelligent to me, but also very wrong

I was very disappointed in the debate with him and Sargon and a few other folks

My understanding was that it wasn't very productive, yes.

They pretty much just called him names and never really addressed the substance of his point

Which kinda made him look like the smarter one

And he probably actually is, to be honest

But his particular points weren't even...that hard to answer

It just kinda felt like Sargon and friends had never really considered that e.g. people in power have a degree of impunity that regular citizens don't enjoy, generally speaking

Spencer understood that

He just seemed to not think it's bad per se, or not be in the hands of the right people, or something

I never actually got to know where he was going with that, because everyone just got flustered and just rejected that outright for some reason

I sometimes think I should familiarize myself more with Spencer's thought, as a "know-thy-enemy" exercise, but understanding the people that pose _serious_ threats drains me enough as it is

Yeah, it's pretty clear that Richard Spencer's movement is not going anywhere in the near future.

That's the biggest thing about the Spooky Alt-Right

Once they became openly racist, pretty much everyone, even those with sympathies for some goals/policies, ran away screaming

There are probably internet fetish subniches with more political influence

Shame that doesn't work for the mainstream left.

ohh trust me

people debating spencer is the best thing spencer has going for him

mainly because people just call him racist

or try to say thats racist

and are too emotional to play devils advocate