Message from @JadenFrostwolf
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I will have none of this anti-Sargon propaganda
I am a Liberalist™️
What are you going to do about it @BigBoppinBoslet?
Watch from both sides and laugh as this escalates needlessly tbh
True I just find it funny that Sargon is against collectivism but then creates a collective.
Shows that individuality can never beat collectivism.
And well, people should balance both. And stop discussing people, rather the ideas they hold.
I definitely prefer JBP's take on individualism
Down low?
You can stand for individual rights and organize to advocate for them. It doesn't immediately make you a collectivist if you're rallying for individual rights.
A collection of people with the same belifs is kinda a collective
How can a signal person no matter how smart, athletic or other wise talented beat a cohesive collective? No one follows this principal just look at the "liberalists".
You can't. The point isn't how they're organizing, but what they're organizing for.
Like nazis and communists are both collectives, but they vastly differ from each other in terms of principle.
I assumed capitalism was anti collective, because they work for themselves, and so happens that helping others through goods production would benefit the self.
In a collective you do shit cause it benefits the collcetive
Although I agree it still doesn't answer the question posed toward Sargon: "What happens when an individual uses their individual rights to join a collective?"
You can't stop them, because then you're stomping on their individual rights.
Then they give up their rights as an individual and replace them with those of a collectivist?
I mean its their right to do so.
I mean, I can see what Sargon is going for with this Liberalist thing he has going on, but he needs to know that a lot can go wrong with it if it gets out of control.
I think another issue is the whole Kraut thing and what happened to 'Justice Democrats' is not too far behind us, so it is still fresh in people's minds.
Even the reddit anarchists recognize they need managers even though most dont adnit it
And well.. I dont think I want sargon at the helm of this.
everyone that isn't anarchist is partially collectivist
Either he'll be at the head of it, and it may or may not go well, or he'll find it more stressful than he originally thought and then hand the reins to someone else.
Arguably everyonr is part something and that changes often
Unlike gender..
i think the issue with collectivism on the left stems from the lack of seperation between ideas and action
Well, that's what family's are... collectives. Same thing with friends, and clubs, and coworkers, and gaming with your guild on MMOs...
Like how many would like the idea behind the new label and what bakes it different from libertarian
you can propose potentially bad solutions but not act upon them
which is obvious to any conservative
These Ideas have and never will be implamented because they will never work. They only appeal a small percentage of the population.
which ideas