this is not the vore i wanted

I recognize sargon, who are the others?

uzalu is auth-right, vee is lib-left, and louis le vaux is lib-right

uzalu and vee are decent, but I'm not a huge fan of louis le vaux

veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

(this is 100% real btw, none of this is a joke)

I will have none of this anti-Sargon propaganda

I am a Liberalist™️

What are you going to do about it @BigBoppinBoslet?

Watch from both sides and laugh as this escalates needlessly tbh

True I just find it funny that Sargon is against collectivism but then creates a collective.

Shows that individuality can never beat collectivism.

And well, people should balance both. And stop discussing people, rather the ideas they hold.

I definitely prefer JBP's take on individualism

Down low?

You can stand for individual rights and organize to advocate for them. It doesn't immediately make you a collectivist if you're rallying for individual rights.

A collection of people with the same belifs is kinda a collective

How can a signal person no matter how smart, athletic or other wise talented beat a cohesive collective? No one follows this principal just look at the "liberalists".

You can't. The point isn't how they're organizing, but what they're organizing for.

Like nazis and communists are both collectives, but they vastly differ from each other in terms of principle.

I assumed capitalism was anti collective, because they work for themselves, and so happens that helping others through goods production would benefit the self.

I mean, they're not *that* different from each other... <:hmkGrin:284219474440355840>

In a collective you do shit cause it benefits the collcetive

Although I agree it still doesn't answer the question posed toward Sargon: "What happens when an individual uses their individual rights to join a collective?"

You can't stop them, because then you're stomping on their individual rights.

Then they give up their rights as an individual and replace them with those of a collectivist?

I mean its their right to do so.

I mean, I can see what Sargon is going for with this Liberalist thing he has going on, but he needs to know that a lot can go wrong with it if it gets out of control.

I think another issue is the whole Kraut thing and what happened to 'Justice Democrats' is not too far behind us, so it is still fresh in people's minds.

Even the reddit anarchists recognize they need managers even though most dont adnit it

And well.. I dont think I want sargon at the helm of this.

everyone that isn't anarchist is partially collectivist

Either he'll be at the head of it, and it may or may not go well, or he'll find it more stressful than he originally thought and then hand the reins to someone else.