forget human nature, the natural world has always been a meritocracy.

No beacuse America is a nation for Americans no asian, blacks, ect.

Of groups yes. The best tribe wins.

and merit is specifically attributed to the individual.

no, of individuals, the best one wins

And a society built of the best individuals

One individual can't beat 100 weak people who work as a group.

will trump a society built on race every time.

So why give European Americans a pass, but not African or Asian Americans? By your logic shouldn’t we give America back to the Native Americans and all of us White, Black, & Asian Americans gtfo?

guy just take this one,

If we go by your idea of "the best tribe wins" then black people are the best tribe
because in the west right now, its certainly not the white people and not the asians that are winning, implying that black people are the best

Not the white race.

It depends on your metric if you're gauging demographics.

Why are you treating white people as a collective? There’s a pretty large cultural difference between my Irish heritage & by buddy’s Greek Heritage

@Deller You won the land from them and built a nation on it so it's yours they have some land for them to live on but the rest is yours.

If you're judging merit on physical prowess

I think once whites start thinking as a group again we will win easily.

Then the best one for the job may well be a melanin-rich individual.

@RyeNorth I'm talking in general, White people have to work hard as a result pay most taxes etc, and get punished for being racist for being against it

Black people in America (and arabs in Europe) get money, housing, welfare and affirmative action

I thought you wanted to end the collective group think

Oh, yeah, right, I get that.

And focus on individuals

Yes the problem is your thinking in terms of individuals when others think as a collective.

No, he thinks that we should do what our opposition does because our opposition needs to be stopped because of what they're doing.

Why the fuck would I want to think as a collective

It's circular reasoning at it's most insane.

but then you get a paradox

If white people adopt the logic that black people follow (in your mind)
Then white people would win by using a black people tactic

Meaning the black people had it right all along

I think we need to stop the left being anti white.

yes

I absolutely agree with that, aussie.

Yes, being anti-(insert ethnic group) is bad

no one is arguing that we should stop punishing white people for the crime of being white

Correct that, Jayred

But why does wanting to stop anti white rhetoric mean I should adopt collective thinking

but the solution to stopping people from being punished for being white

Is NOT to punish black people for being black

An individual can't beat a collective.

tell that to that florida shooter

too soon

it was him against dozens

Uh, that was something else entirely... lol

It irritates the fuck out of me when people go “you white people.....” why would I want to adopt that same ignorant outlook

You assume that an individual can't form coalitions as well.