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then how is the US not socialist and has been since public schools and the VA is a thing?^^
not in a pure sense, but in Europe you have parties considered "right wing" that are socialist
maybe that's why you are confusing things
Our public schools in germany arent socialist btw. The competition by private schools is not impeded on by our system. In the sense that they also receive a similar funding per student from the government to put them on equal footing.
you are the one bringing up schools though. No one here was talking about schools
Right
ouch, actually living in germany
I totally understand your point, if you live in Germany though
and unlike the VA, insurance policies paid by the state are not tied to paticular doctors.
also, very ironic that you think most of Europe doesn't tend to socialism
oh they're definitely headed that direction
but they're not actually socialist yet
or any more socialist than the US.
social programs are not socialist
in fact, social programs only make sense under capitalism
sorry to interrupt for a bit, but I really wanted an answer to this..
>if a group advocates for full authoritarianism, I call that fascism. Am I wrong?
well, originaly it described a certain italian party.
later it was used to describe all nationalistic, authoritarian and antimarxist movements
i think it may require an element of nationalism
Antimarxist but also anticapitalist
@Tohob I agree, but wouldn't you say that full authoritarianism inherently has nacionalism?
or rather, demonstrates that thats not quite correct
EU isn't even powerful enough to command one country directly
it is FAR from full authoritarianism
Fascism allows for more autonomy(in theory) than many other authoritarian systems, but not much more freedom. Your autonomy ends when you use it to further yourself rather than the interests of the country
you don't have much of a nation if people can flee from your orders
do you actualy have to have the power to do what you want in order to be authoritarian though?
In other words, was hitler not authoritarian prior to 1933? (assuming for the sake of argument his views didnt change)
pretty much
he could be authoritarian
but he didn't have the power to exercise his views
@Schedrevka I agree with what you said. Most of Europe was fascist if you consider it that way, and that's why it rose above others. But my question remains, if a group advocates for full authoritarianism, isn't it always Fascism?
they command all the countries directly, local cops have to enforce eu laws
they control the laws but not how they are applied
there's a lot of room for "rebelion" and interpretation of the law
I'm not disagreeing that EU is authoritarian
I'm just saying they still don't have enough power to directly exercise whatever they want
hmm ok