and unlike the VA, insurance policies paid by the state are not tied to paticular doctors.

also, very ironic that you think most of Europe doesn't tend to socialism

oh they're definitely headed that direction

but they're not actually socialist yet

or any more socialist than the US.

social programs are not socialist

in fact, social programs only make sense under capitalism

sorry to interrupt for a bit, but I really wanted an answer to this..
>if a group advocates for full authoritarianism, I call that fascism. Am I wrong?

well, originaly it described a certain italian party.

later it was used to describe all nationalistic, authoritarian and antimarxist movements

i think it may require an element of nationalism

I know, specially how innacurate wikipedia is about this

Antimarxist but also anticapitalist

@Tohob I agree, but wouldn't you say that full authoritarianism inherently has nacionalism?

@.B the EU disagrees

or rather, demonstrates that thats not quite correct

EU isn't even powerful enough to command one country directly

it is FAR from full authoritarianism

Fascism allows for more autonomy(in theory) than many other authoritarian systems, but not much more freedom. Your autonomy ends when you use it to further yourself rather than the interests of the country

you don't have much of a nation if people can flee from your orders

do you actualy have to have the power to do what you want in order to be authoritarian though?

In other words, was hitler not authoritarian prior to 1933? (assuming for the sake of argument his views didnt change)

pretty much

he could be authoritarian

but he didn't have the power to exercise his views

@Schedrevka I agree with what you said. Most of Europe was fascist if you consider it that way, and that's why it rose above others. But my question remains, if a group advocates for full authoritarianism, isn't it always Fascism?

they command all the countries directly, local cops have to enforce eu laws

they control the laws but not how they are applied

there's a lot of room for "rebelion" and interpretation of the law

I'm not disagreeing that EU is authoritarian

I'm just saying they still don't have enough power to directly exercise whatever they want

hmm ok

this is why they need media control and to pressure politicians to "control the public"

if they had real power, they wouldn't need to

@NativeInterface local cops dont have to enforce EU laws. They have to enforce the laws of their country. But that country is bound to, in time, adjust their laws to reflect EU law

potato tomato

No, it's not always the actual political system of fascism, but it is the layman definition of fascism.
For example fascism also involves an emphasis on nationalism, but not every authoritarian is going to be nationalistic.

so, you think it is possible to have a full authoritarian system without nacionalism?

Feudalism is extremely authoritarian, but it isn't 'fascism'. You could say it's 'fascist' as in similar to fascism, but that doesn't make it fascism.

Yes.

hmm, 'kay