oh, rly?

The far right equivalent pof socialism would be plutocracy... which socialism often devolves into, but I mean intentionally

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then how is the US not socialist and has been since public schools and the VA is a thing?^^

not in a pure sense, but in Europe you have parties considered "right wing" that are socialist

maybe that's why you are confusing things

Our public schools in germany arent socialist btw. The competition by private schools is not impeded on by our system. In the sense that they also receive a similar funding per student from the government to put them on equal footing.

you are the one bringing up schools though. No one here was talking about schools

Right

ouch, actually living in germany

I totally understand your point, if you live in Germany though

and unlike the VA, insurance policies paid by the state are not tied to paticular doctors.

also, very ironic that you think most of Europe doesn't tend to socialism

oh they're definitely headed that direction

but they're not actually socialist yet

or any more socialist than the US.

social programs are not socialist

in fact, social programs only make sense under capitalism

sorry to interrupt for a bit, but I really wanted an answer to this..
>if a group advocates for full authoritarianism, I call that fascism. Am I wrong?

well, originaly it described a certain italian party.

later it was used to describe all nationalistic, authoritarian and antimarxist movements

i think it may require an element of nationalism

I know, specially how innacurate wikipedia is about this

Antimarxist but also anticapitalist

@Tohob I agree, but wouldn't you say that full authoritarianism inherently has nacionalism?

@.B the EU disagrees

or rather, demonstrates that thats not quite correct

EU isn't even powerful enough to command one country directly

it is FAR from full authoritarianism

Fascism allows for more autonomy(in theory) than many other authoritarian systems, but not much more freedom. Your autonomy ends when you use it to further yourself rather than the interests of the country

you don't have much of a nation if people can flee from your orders

do you actualy have to have the power to do what you want in order to be authoritarian though?

In other words, was hitler not authoritarian prior to 1933? (assuming for the sake of argument his views didnt change)

pretty much

he could be authoritarian

but he didn't have the power to exercise his views

@Schedrevka I agree with what you said. Most of Europe was fascist if you consider it that way, and that's why it rose above others. But my question remains, if a group advocates for full authoritarianism, isn't it always Fascism?

they command all the countries directly, local cops have to enforce eu laws

they control the laws but not how they are applied

there's a lot of room for "rebelion" and interpretation of the law

I'm not disagreeing that EU is authoritarian