anyway

Not really

the chalice is too poisoned either way

why not burn it to the ground and rebuild a different supranational european poltiical bloc

You could go with that but nobody is trying it right now and it'd be risky to be the first to try

So you'd need to wait for several right wing governments to come into power

i dont see a new EU emerging for a while after this one falls

Than coordinate them leaving

what i can imagine is a balkanization

And have the block be viable

UK becomes a US vassal (atlanticists)

more join the visegrad group

Visegrad group is entirely part of the Nato system

EU remains as germany and the scandis

Which would leave us way too weak

against who

russia?

china?

Germany and Scandinavian countries put together would hardly be relevant on the world stage and have issues forming a viable trade block

Nato of course

Visegrad is too sympathetic to America to ever leave Nato and ultimately remain part of the system

A Germany on its own would have a hard time

the EU was CIA approved from the start

lets not pretend like its so different from NATO

i think germany an Eu as a whole want to ally with russia and just get cheap resources for their industrial economies. the biggest obsticale for this is NATO and Visegrad countries which are so butthurt about their former occupator they can no longer sit straight.

i mean

Exactly Vex

i can see why the visegrad coutnries arent so trusting of mother russia

Several states within Eu want to end sanctions with russia

but visegrad

just wants to suck American cock frankly

It doesn't matter that the EU was CIA approved when it's developed its own set of interests

Independent of Nato west of the pond

Nato is Americanism at this point.

how about no NATO

disband it

Yes

and have a euro army

im fine with no nato

based

but I dont see abig distinciton between NATO and the EU