just another exampling of outsourcing our labor to a machine.

yes i agree that it is humanitys basic function to create ways that a single farmer can increase the ammount of production they can yeild to the ultimate goal that only a single farmer is nessicary to create any degree of production, a farmer named ceo

perhaps is something we should at some point fight against, for a balance, to spare our more basic animal characteristics

in order to fight automation, you would need every human everywhere to agree not to pursue automation.

and the very automation we seek to avoid would be one very very useful for exploring space i would imagine

its not nesicary to explore space, it simply cuts down as it does for all things, the number of people you need thus the space you need to provide

proper automation could give you ships that can provide for a person without that person ever needing contact with another person

very small ships

actually i was thinking more when settling new worlds, where such tech could be sent in advance to create a settlement for people before they touch down, decreasing risks of settling new worlds

you wouldent need everyone on earth to avoid pursuing automation to prevent automation from supplanting labor in every world society, you simply need most people to want it to not supplant labor in every society, the tech can be known without being used but in a capitalism its guarenteed to take over

there is too much incentive for automation, too much usefulness, for you to effectively stop it.

because ultimately capitalism doesent care about anything more than production

you'd literally have to tell people that you could eliminate the fear of going hungry if you no longer have work but you are afraid of what happens when people don't work

try selling that to people "hey, you could be lazy but we don't want you to be"

make work great again

try not to sound like a tyrant

if religion was still populer you could try that

yeah, make work great again "oh, but if you become a "disabled person".... well you have to worry about hunger again

all a society needs in order to prevent themselves from being lazy is to see labor as something it wants to do

its too hard a sell. you can't stop automation. there is too much potential good.

people will figure something to do with their labor

they always do and always will

people want to work, but they also don;t want to worry about starving.

they also want to play

it doesent matter if you cant stop automation, all that matters is that if you have a brain you should probably try to stop automation, because you know the results that will insue if you no longer have a working class

you sound like an old man, lamenting the creation of the calculator.

at best 10 to 20% of the population becomes adult children. every result worse than that is how the rest of society reacts to adult children

look at the west, it has a problem of declining birth rates

so maybe the problem of a helpless class sorts itself out through depopulation due to low birth rates

I'd read a very good argument on calculators.

it would

People lamenting the invention of the calculator were concerned that people would forget how to do math themselves.

however there would still be people born by the elites who have a higher chance of being disabled as being disabled in a automated society is a lot easier

People today may still use a calculator for 4+4, or 2*18 or the like

Not because they can't figure out that the first is 8 or the later is 36

But because it speeds the process up

The calculator enhances a person's abilities.

I think there are two paths AI can go.

There's the direction of Automation, where human capability is replaced by machine precision

what if you created a device that made it so that you no longer have to do math at all? like unless you want to do math, every math you could want to do is done before you even knew a math was needed to be done?

thats automation