protection from other humans, nature, the universe, and boredom.

so people need labor in order to prevent becoming adult children which threatens human survival?

think about it, we are still animals. We'd still be living in the same area, and the one thing this workless world would not have in infinity is space

unless you go into space

what do people who dont have the capability of providing any meaningful assistance toward protection from other humans, nature, the universe, and boredom do in the society without a working class?

which is kind of needed to mitigate the universe as a threat to humanity although its still a threat until we create god status, if we can.

well, they either get killed by one of those things, or some other human protects them from those things

as they don't need to work for food, housing, clothing, or medical help

basicly those who cannot do, do nothing?

although anyone short of a vegetable should be able to help with one of those things

because you may not realize a society which has no need for a workingclass actually adds a new group to the "disabled" of society

because the workingclass provides a role in society to provide protection against other humans, nature, the universe, and bordem yet can not rise up to the middle class for various reason, the most common reason being lack of capability

if you create automation to the extent that all basic needs are met for your society theres very little positions for the roles of those who are literally incapable of doing any more

the goal of automation is to make all of the human race the "disabled" class

that doesent particulerly interest me

you can't stop it outside a 1 world government, and even then, a 1 world government would probably have every incentive to make such a world

frankly its not dignified but more so if you look at the way people who never have to provide for themselves well into their 30's. it creates worse humanity

humanity has pretty much defined its existence on outsourcing our labor to machines, only to make new machines to outsource the new task we set that freed up labor to

the only other defining characteristic of humanity is fighting each other

it may very well be right that humans are killed off by machines, but not because the machines went haywire but because that is the exact thing we program them to do

just another exampling of outsourcing our labor to a machine.

yes i agree that it is humanitys basic function to create ways that a single farmer can increase the ammount of production they can yeild to the ultimate goal that only a single farmer is nessicary to create any degree of production, a farmer named ceo

perhaps is something we should at some point fight against, for a balance, to spare our more basic animal characteristics

in order to fight automation, you would need every human everywhere to agree not to pursue automation.

and the very automation we seek to avoid would be one very very useful for exploring space i would imagine

its not nesicary to explore space, it simply cuts down as it does for all things, the number of people you need thus the space you need to provide

proper automation could give you ships that can provide for a person without that person ever needing contact with another person

very small ships

actually i was thinking more when settling new worlds, where such tech could be sent in advance to create a settlement for people before they touch down, decreasing risks of settling new worlds

you wouldent need everyone on earth to avoid pursuing automation to prevent automation from supplanting labor in every world society, you simply need most people to want it to not supplant labor in every society, the tech can be known without being used but in a capitalism its guarenteed to take over

there is too much incentive for automation, too much usefulness, for you to effectively stop it.

because ultimately capitalism doesent care about anything more than production

you'd literally have to tell people that you could eliminate the fear of going hungry if you no longer have work but you are afraid of what happens when people don't work

try selling that to people "hey, you could be lazy but we don't want you to be"

make work great again

try not to sound like a tyrant

if religion was still populer you could try that

yeah, make work great again "oh, but if you become a "disabled person".... well you have to worry about hunger again

all a society needs in order to prevent themselves from being lazy is to see labor as something it wants to do

its too hard a sell. you can't stop automation. there is too much potential good.

people will figure something to do with their labor