things are so scrambled that you are a collection of various races, which has created a unique grouping in and of itself

fucking slowmo, anyway so you cannot be defined by annoy of those parts

well thats where my statement about the process being slowed or sped up depending on certain contexts. i dont think race should really be used to heard contemporarey groups of people into different areas of the world and than locking them there and now we would have to deal with people who dont fit due to mixture. i think race should be described scientificaly and then people make of that what they will on introspectively purely.

an individual being a member of one race and only one race is a made up social construct as it is probably very rare these days to find a "pure blood" if you will, unless you are looking at England maybe ( 😉 ). instead any given individual is a made up of most likely at least 2 different races in terms of biology, particularly given the mobility of humans today, making isolation of genes much less likely to happen.

actually england isint a good example of a pure blood area, japan is a better example. either way lots of people are basicly derived from a single genetic lineage if defined by trait emergences while granted theres always been groups who are mixed and that population is growing now (basicly all of south america is mixed) that does not make the science pointless nor the process of catagorization for people if they choose to also pointless because it is still very likely to find you basicly decend from a single branch

i was making fun of the habit of the royal family inbreeding

also depending on the context if 2 branches converge for you at a very very distant time period your more recent branch is really what describes you best, its even likely your recent branch is where the traits which discribe the race emerge

also on the social construct side of the matter you could define european jewish people as simply european because while its true that looking at their genetics there is only a very little cross between that group and the europeans surrounding them, it is a case that the context of the european envirnment even within the relitively short 1500 years of jewish settlement of europe; has effected their natural selection process to drive the emergence of many traits from the population at a much faster rate than the surrounding europeans

yea one thing I didnt think of was that you can send your dna to ancenstry and it will tell you your race

It's worth noting that those numbers are less accurate than they'd like you to believe. As in there's not necessarily a guarantee that you're say 2% Scandanavian and 74% Asian on the dot. Their testing methodology, from what I've gathered, is nowhere near that sophisticated.

and 23 and me also only tells you based on your maternal lineage and not your paternal one to

i think, i could be wrong

Its not amazing, and coincidences happen as well. Since it tests by comparing your dna and checking how similar they are.

23andme csn tell your fathers side too

Mothers side via mitochondrial DNA, fathers through Y chromosome

My two cente: genetics is real and racial differences are real. If you deny this, it'll end poorly, as you can only deny reality so long before it bites you in the ass. But genetic differences do not and should not mean treating one person, or one group of people, with less respect and basic dignity than another

Depression is overrepresenter in northern european genetivs but we don't say that white people are emotionally inferior to others, eg

Most ironically for people who bring up the bell curve, the same data in TBC that shows a white/black iq gap also shows an asian/white and jewish/white iq gap but rwcial supremacists aren't going around talking about how jews are actually the master race.

Because iq doesnt define the worth of a human being

Also ive been pointing this out for years to no avail, but TBC spends like five pages saying "some people have lower intelligence than others and its genetic so this will never change" and five hundred pages saying "we need to help them, bc if we expect the same from them as we do more intelligent people, we will force them to live a life of misery and thats cruel and evil". But everyone ignores this part

wait wut

Wut which part?

TBC

The bell curve. Charles murray book. Widely considered to be hateful racial supremacist content because of a fiveish page digression where he points out different races have different average IQs

its still racist, i mean isn't that the soft bigotry of low exceptions and implying we need to "whiten up" the black race? i mean, isn't that the only way to help with genetic differences

The actual main thesis of the bell curve is:
1) IQ is an accurate measure of general intelligence
2) general intelligence is genetic and largely fixed; you cant really change it through eg education
3) iq is normally distributed, along a bell curve
4) american society is extremely good at filtering people by IQ, via the university system
5) this has the effect of taking the smartest people from every community out of that community
6) those smart people end up all in the same high-IQ bubble where they're all happy but ignorant of the reality of the rest of society
7) the resulting brain drain on other communities ends up leaving those less intelligent folks who are left behind in a poverty trap
8) this creates a de-facto caste system
9) this is oppressive to the lower castes (aka dumb people)

He was mostly advocating for... Actually I don't remember his proposed solution.

abolishing universities or IQ filtering?

idk

closed borders? because taking away high iq people from other countries makes them worse?

The ultimste irony is that what the book said about african americans is almost exactly the same as what SJWs say about african americans. The only diff is that SJWs blame "structural racism" and Murray blames "genetically low average IQ"

Arguably if you build a society that assumes (for example) that everyone is 120+ IQ this is actually structually oppressive to lower iq people

I'm curious what percentage of the population lives in a 20 mile radius of a university

I wonder if Murray would support affirmative action for low IQ.

Why would that help if he believes it's largely genetic?

according to wikipedia the only concrete policy recommendation they make is "stop implicitly subsidizing lower class people from having tons of babies, because it's lowering the nation's collective average IQ"

Affirmative action would be hypothetically to prevent the mentioned poverty trap.

Or, simply force everyone with a low IQ to preform manual labor.

Though technically speaking, IQ scores are rising by about ten points a decade and the average keeps having to be repositioned

you can actually influince average inteligence of a population of a relitively short period of time but relitive is many generations. its kinda obvious that on average african americans test a higher iq than their counterparts in africa. they are in an envirnment where intelegence has become a sexually selective trait for them, atleast before 40 years ago. not only that we highly suspect that the ashkanazi jewish population of europe represents a group of people whos inteligence increased at a rate disproportionate to all other european populations surrounding it in just 1500 years.

i am curious, anyone here for more gun control, i just want to find another viewpoint..

i think @I AM ERROR has mentioned an interest in guncontrol in the past

@Dugamar very recently that rising has stopped. Nobody knows why.