Message from @GingaBomber
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What is UBI, why does it replace welfare, and how does it help now
Or in the future.
The issue is that in the future, there will be a subset of the pop that is unable to get any jobs
Because the standard of intelligence required will be really high
Thanks to tech like better manufacturing, and automation
Right.
But everyone can get UBI.
And the argument is that UBI is to placate the pop that found themselves out of job
No.
Well kind of, UBI is the bedrock which we find acceptable for people to live.
You can still work and earn more money that UBI.
You can choose not to get the UBI bennifits.
To be honest you know what Id be more okay with?
WEll, nevermind
That would be impossible for the forseeable future
It depends on how large you start it out as .
Lets say we start it out at $1,000 a month.
Mind if I state my issues though?
Sure.
My issue is that the populace would get complacent. Why work if everything is provided, you remove all ambition.
You can get everything you need for 1,000 a month?
We have ghettoes in the US where they live in hell.
But prefer that to having to work for a living or get an education
Yes and many of them are stuck on welfare.
Doesn't that devalue low wage work further? Like the baseline for living is 1k, and you get that no matter what. Why would you work full time for minimum wage unless minimum wage was drastically increased (which is infeasible)
And don't find a job because they don't want to lose welfare.
Second issue.
I think that very much has to do with how welfare incentives work
Jobs would have to pay you a significantly higher wage than the UBI provides.
Why would it need to be increased.
1k and 100% freetime, vs half the time, and anything below 3k for example
You're getting 1k a month reguardless of what you do.
Because who is going to work full time for a job that is only a few degrees more valuable than doing fuck all?
Also when does UBI kick in?
UBI is universal
All of the time.
Regardless of your situation, at the very least it will provide for the basics
Next, there are some services that are not consistent. Living quarter rent for example.
Doesn't that exacerbate the fundie Mormon scenario?
Can society expect to provide say, the same accomodation to everyone at that level of it.