Message from @Beemann
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cant get a vote from someone who you don't pay anymore
So the trick is keeping as much people on the system, but that requires money from elsewhere (more taxes)
Bureaucracies aren't efficient, okay, thanks, Is the sky still blue?
its evening here, its red for me due to the sun
So why would you not use UBI to reduce bureaucracy
Since there's no application or tracking required
Because removing people from welfare that need welfare isn't good.
The point is that their basic needs are already paid for
There are people that need substationally more help than 1,000 check.
So you dont need a redundant payment scheme
You already admitted that's an arbitrary figure you set as a baseline
You can use the same scheme and bureaucracy to pay them.
UBI initially wouldn't been all your basic needs met.
probably.
Okay but if you're talking about phasing that in you would also phase out welfare
how does that help people who can't find work anymore due to automation?
They need basic needs met, or they'll die 😮
It'd more likely just be extra money to help people become more mobile.
A solution can't come whole cloth.
You introduce UBI now, you have the method of distribution, and it would increase over time.
as needed.
if thats the case,
You just added more welfare, and more taxes, and no fix
Once it hits basic needs level
Maybe, I don't think work is totally going to vanish.
manual labor jobs will
Probably.
Could you elaborate?
No they won't.
Most white collar work as well.
not all, but many will
Automation tends to be a bit too inflexible.
There are industries scaling back automation at the moment.
Currently is inflexible.
No, it's physically inflexible.
3d Printed houses for example Pratel
Rig a big machine that can drive around and just be activated, powered up, and build your house
You build your tooling and it's millions of dollars to re-tool.
3d printing radically changes the argument.
Now you have to play people for complexity.
Yes, it's CURRENTY inflexible.
Which is even harder.
The manufacturing is more flexible but the engineering is much harder.
I agree, AI is not inflexible.