Message from @Beemann
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People who work with semi-welfare (so they work but get government financial support)
Literally pay extra taxes,
To get their own tax money back in subsidiaries - administration costs
also that USED to be the case Denn
Yeah when was the last time you didn't get your tax rebate back?
right now, bureaucracy's solution to fixing money issues,
Is just tax people more, and add subsidiaries to the masses so they still vote for you
That has nothing to do with UBI.
Wot
no, but its a comment about the "efficiency" of the bureaucracy
cant get a vote from someone who you don't pay anymore
So the trick is keeping as much people on the system, but that requires money from elsewhere (more taxes)
Bureaucracies aren't efficient, okay, thanks, Is the sky still blue?
its evening here, its red for me due to the sun
So why would you not use UBI to reduce bureaucracy
Since there's no application or tracking required
Because removing people from welfare that need welfare isn't good.
The point is that their basic needs are already paid for
There are people that need substationally more help than 1,000 check.
So you dont need a redundant payment scheme
You already admitted that's an arbitrary figure you set as a baseline
You can use the same scheme and bureaucracy to pay them.
UBI initially wouldn't been all your basic needs met.
probably.
how does that help people who can't find work anymore due to automation?
They need basic needs met, or they'll die 😮
It'd more likely just be extra money to help people become more mobile.
A solution can't come whole cloth.
You introduce UBI now, you have the method of distribution, and it would increase over time.
as needed.
if thats the case,
You just added more welfare, and more taxes, and no fix
But eventually you would phase out welfare, would you not?
Once it hits basic needs level
Maybe, I don't think work is totally going to vanish.
manual labor jobs will
Probably.
Could you elaborate?
No they won't.
Most white collar work as well.
not all, but many will
Automation tends to be a bit too inflexible.
There are industries scaling back automation at the moment.
Currently is inflexible.
No, it's physically inflexible.
3d Printed houses for example Pratel
Rig a big machine that can drive around and just be activated, powered up, and build your house