That has nothing to do with UBI.

Wot

no, but its a comment about the "efficiency" of the bureaucracy

cant get a vote from someone who you don't pay anymore

So the trick is keeping as much people on the system, but that requires money from elsewhere (more taxes)

Bureaucracies aren't efficient, okay, thanks, Is the sky still blue?

its evening here, its red for me due to the sun

So why would you not use UBI to reduce bureaucracy

Since there's no application or tracking required

Because removing people from welfare that need welfare isn't good.

The point is that their basic needs are already paid for

There are people that need substationally more help than 1,000 check.

So you dont need a redundant payment scheme

You already admitted that's an arbitrary figure you set as a baseline

You can use the same scheme and bureaucracy to pay them.

UBI initially wouldn't been all your basic needs met.

probably.

Okay but if you're talking about phasing that in you would also phase out welfare

how does that help people who can't find work anymore due to automation?

They need basic needs met, or they'll die 😮

It'd more likely just be extra money to help people become more mobile.

A solution can't come whole cloth.

You introduce UBI now, you have the method of distribution, and it would increase over time.

as needed.

if thats the case,

You just added more welfare, and more taxes, and no fix

But eventually you would phase out welfare, would you not?

Once it hits basic needs level

Maybe, I don't think work is totally going to vanish.

manual labor jobs will

Probably.

Could you elaborate?

No they won't.

Most white collar work as well.

not all, but many will

Automation tends to be a bit too inflexible.

There are industries scaling back automation at the moment.

Currently is inflexible.

No, it's physically inflexible.

3d Printed houses for example Pratel

Rig a big machine that can drive around and just be activated, powered up, and build your house

You build your tooling and it's millions of dollars to re-tool.

3d printing radically changes the argument.

Now you have to play people for complexity.

Yes, it's CURRENTY inflexible.