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2018-08-07 03:44:31 UTC  

Communism is "work place democracy."

2018-08-07 03:44:31 UTC  

It's literally the same structure Native argued for with a different set of principles.

2018-08-07 03:44:47 UTC  

Communism is abolition of the state and hierarchy.

2018-08-07 03:44:57 UTC  

Communism is "people collectively owning the means of production."

2018-08-07 03:45:06 UTC  

Very different

2018-08-07 03:45:08 UTC  

im not really arguing in favor of any specific structure, im just naming some examples that has been suggested to me

2018-08-07 03:45:17 UTC  

Communism is opposite of capitalism

2018-08-07 03:45:38 UTC  

I don't get how so many people are confused about this.

2018-08-07 03:46:27 UTC  

It's because of all the definition changes and brain washing in communist text

2018-08-07 03:46:28 UTC  

Could be argued though I suppose that a challenge of anarcho capitalism is how much power money has

2018-08-07 03:46:32 UTC  

What differentiates communism and capitalism outside of anarchy is the state.

2018-08-07 03:47:02 UTC  

But communism in it's completed state is anarchical and aheirarchal.

2018-08-07 03:47:16 UTC  

ruling power is different from buying power

2018-08-07 03:47:17 UTC  

We need Definitions here.

2018-08-07 03:47:47 UTC  

when you buy something theres consent of the owner of the thing you're buying from, with ruling power you don't need any consent

2018-08-07 03:47:57 UTC  

Define "Communism" and "capitalism." @RyeNorth

2018-08-07 03:48:24 UTC  

would mercenaries be banned?

2018-08-07 03:48:26 UTC  

Difficult. We're dealing with different states of matter here.

2018-08-07 03:48:46 UTC  

Should I define it as a solid or in it's gaseous state?

2018-08-07 03:48:47 UTC  

And Godfather type gangs

2018-08-07 03:48:53 UTC  

We need a definition.

2018-08-07 03:49:19 UTC  

In terms of how we are discussing about it.

2018-08-07 03:49:25 UTC  

Okay, Communism = Equity without the need of state or hierarchy.

2018-08-07 03:49:31 UTC  

"It Just Works"

2018-08-07 03:49:35 UTC  

i think when mercenaries don't have government as a customer, the dynamic changes because then reputation matters a bit more, and they also don't get legal immunity like blackwater did

2018-08-07 03:49:52 UTC  

things are different in the private sector

2018-08-07 03:50:03 UTC  

I'll let Native define capitalism if he likes.

2018-08-07 03:50:04 UTC  

Unfortunately equity is completely subjective.

2018-08-07 03:50:11 UTC  

I do agree.

2018-08-07 03:50:18 UTC  

which type of capitalism?

2018-08-07 03:50:26 UTC  

SEE?

2018-08-07 03:50:42 UTC  

Rye attempted to define "anarcho communism." something that does not exist.

2018-08-07 03:50:51 UTC  

No, I defined communism.

2018-08-07 03:50:59 UTC  

Communism has never been achieved.

2018-08-07 03:51:03 UTC  

"without the need of state or hierarchy."

2018-08-07 03:51:05 UTC  

It's been tried. It fails every time.

2018-08-07 03:51:08 UTC  

I was sure antifa were anarchist commies

2018-08-07 03:51:18 UTC  

At least from the flag

2018-08-07 03:51:22 UTC  

laissez faire capitalism is just free markets, state capitalism and welfare capitalism is something else

2018-08-07 03:52:02 UTC  

The State requires Hierarchy.

2018-08-07 03:52:06 UTC  

but private ownership of the means of production may be enough, i dunno, it depends on the context