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2018-08-07 03:41:20 UTC  

Any time you demolish a state, a new one forms.

2018-08-07 03:41:29 UTC  

Liberty better keep happening 😤

2018-08-07 03:42:09 UTC  

You could use that same logic to state that every time you form a new state, it will be demolished.

2018-08-07 03:42:38 UTC  

As that is also a pattern that recurs.

2018-08-07 03:42:58 UTC  

I mean, given an infinite time heat death occurs.

2018-08-07 03:43:11 UTC  

so yes, all states are destined to fall at some point.

2018-08-07 03:43:24 UTC  

It's nature.

2018-08-07 03:43:34 UTC  

*We live in a society.*

2018-08-07 03:43:41 UTC  

viruses and cancers are natural

2018-08-07 03:43:52 UTC  

Communism isn't

2018-08-07 03:44:07 UTC  

should we respect the progression of viruses?

2018-08-07 03:44:10 UTC  

Communism is anarchism.

2018-08-07 03:44:17 UTC  

No

2018-08-07 03:44:31 UTC  

Communism is "work place democracy."

2018-08-07 03:44:31 UTC  

It's literally the same structure Native argued for with a different set of principles.

2018-08-07 03:44:47 UTC  

Communism is abolition of the state and hierarchy.

2018-08-07 03:44:57 UTC  

Communism is "people collectively owning the means of production."

2018-08-07 03:45:06 UTC  

Very different

2018-08-07 03:45:08 UTC  

im not really arguing in favor of any specific structure, im just naming some examples that has been suggested to me

2018-08-07 03:45:17 UTC  

Communism is opposite of capitalism

2018-08-07 03:45:38 UTC  

I don't get how so many people are confused about this.

2018-08-07 03:46:27 UTC  

It's because of all the definition changes and brain washing in communist text

2018-08-07 03:46:28 UTC  

Could be argued though I suppose that a challenge of anarcho capitalism is how much power money has

2018-08-07 03:46:32 UTC  

What differentiates communism and capitalism outside of anarchy is the state.

2018-08-07 03:47:02 UTC  

But communism in it's completed state is anarchical and aheirarchal.

2018-08-07 03:47:16 UTC  

ruling power is different from buying power

2018-08-07 03:47:17 UTC  

We need Definitions here.

2018-08-07 03:47:47 UTC  

when you buy something theres consent of the owner of the thing you're buying from, with ruling power you don't need any consent

2018-08-07 03:47:57 UTC  

Define "Communism" and "capitalism." @RyeNorth

2018-08-07 03:48:24 UTC  

would mercenaries be banned?

2018-08-07 03:48:26 UTC  

Difficult. We're dealing with different states of matter here.

2018-08-07 03:48:46 UTC  

Should I define it as a solid or in it's gaseous state?

2018-08-07 03:48:47 UTC  

And Godfather type gangs

2018-08-07 03:48:53 UTC  

We need a definition.

2018-08-07 03:49:19 UTC  

In terms of how we are discussing about it.

2018-08-07 03:49:25 UTC  

Okay, Communism = Equity without the need of state or hierarchy.

2018-08-07 03:49:31 UTC  

"It Just Works"

2018-08-07 03:49:35 UTC  

i think when mercenaries don't have government as a customer, the dynamic changes because then reputation matters a bit more, and they also don't get legal immunity like blackwater did

2018-08-07 03:49:52 UTC  

things are different in the private sector

2018-08-07 03:50:03 UTC  

I'll let Native define capitalism if he likes.

2018-08-07 03:50:04 UTC  

Unfortunately equity is completely subjective.