Message from @pratel
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In generally, we'll abandon groups that resort to hard violence, something the left won't do as long as those groups represent opposition to something they don't like.
Yes.
It's what we are that is far more important than what we're opposed to.
Atleast for now.
I think if the left turns the country into California, things might change.
Which is why Patriot Prayer and The Proud Boys seem most active along the west coast.
I do still support them. I haven't seen them turn to violence for the sake of it.
Whether they are accepted by the mainstream right in those locales is a question I can't answer. But I don't think it's a coincidence they operate in what is one of the most left-dominated corridors of the country.
I'll burn all alt-right connections, though.
I can't support ethnic nationalism.
Agreed.
But I do think that if you push and push and push, people start getting more desperate.
That doesn't make us violent, though
If that makes sense.
I think you're fixating a bit to much on targeted violence.
I think the original point was about organized campaigns.
Which may or may not be violent.
I haven't seen very many that weren't generally to troll.
I'd need to see some to hypothesize what it all means.
Boycott campaigns? Showing up to a protest march fully expecting Antifa will start a fight (and getting into said fight)? Public Graffiti?
This is "nonviolent" stuff the left will do all the time. And the right seems like it might be picking up on it.
I can't think of any solid boycott campaigns that weren't counter-boycotts. It's been shown time and time again, if you hold any meeting, rally, or bar meet-up, you're likely to get a violent response from Antifa. Again, it's a response and not an initiation. Could use some examples of the Public Graffiti, though. I haven't seen that one.
One of the boycotts that come to mind are people taking golf clubs to their Kuerig machines.
That was because they were folding to pressure from the Left.
All in all, our preferences as far as businesses go, If they take a side, we'd like it to be our side. But ideally, we'd rather them just stay neutral.
I meant to ask if you were OK with that kind of stuff. I think it's what Tim was going at and what I was taking as the key idea.
The Tea Party protests were *really* small. I wouldn't be surprised if a Proud Boys rally is now regularly larger despite being more unpopular.
Boycotts are intended to hurt businesses.
Expecting to get in a fight isn't violence, but it's not bowing out either.
Unlicensed political street art can be thought of as a form of vandalism. Or free expression.
The left has been ok with this stuff for awhile. I think the question is if the right is beginning to change it's mind on some of these kinds of tactics.
When that business takes a stance of 'anti-' whatever conservative position is held
I can't cry foul of a boycott of those businesses by those who hold those positions.
I've got a good case study on this.
Let's take the Chick-Fil-A controversy a few years back.
It comes out that Truett donates his own money to certain organizations.
Those organizations are in whatever way in opposition to LGBT matters.
I think it's misguided to attribute that to every franchise everywhere, or even to the corporation.
But whatever. Boycott if you like.
I think stuff like this crosses the line out of boycott and into something else... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0OE3OwGMwk
Being vocal, trying to convince others to stand with you in not giving this company money, that's one thing entirely. Boycotts are fine. Buycotts are fine.
But being disruptive and abusive in an attempt to damage a business and/or it's employees is a line I wouldn't cross.