Message from @pratel

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2018-08-30 17:59:57 UTC  

I can't support ethnic nationalism.

2018-08-30 18:00:19 UTC  

Agreed.

2018-08-30 18:00:35 UTC  

But I do think that if you push and push and push, people start getting more desperate.

2018-08-30 18:00:51 UTC  

That doesn't make us violent, though

2018-08-30 18:01:10 UTC  

If that makes sense.

2018-08-30 18:01:26 UTC  

I think you're fixating a bit to much on targeted violence.

2018-08-30 18:01:39 UTC  

I think the original point was about organized campaigns.

2018-08-30 18:01:47 UTC  

Which may or may not be violent.

2018-08-30 18:02:00 UTC  

I haven't seen very many that weren't generally to troll.

2018-08-30 18:02:36 UTC  

I'd need to see some to hypothesize what it all means.

2018-08-30 18:06:14 UTC  

Boycott campaigns? Showing up to a protest march fully expecting Antifa will start a fight (and getting into said fight)? Public Graffiti?

2018-08-30 18:06:42 UTC  

This is "nonviolent" stuff the left will do all the time. And the right seems like it might be picking up on it.

2018-08-30 18:09:17 UTC  

I can't think of any solid boycott campaigns that weren't counter-boycotts. It's been shown time and time again, if you hold any meeting, rally, or bar meet-up, you're likely to get a violent response from Antifa. Again, it's a response and not an initiation. Could use some examples of the Public Graffiti, though. I haven't seen that one.

2018-08-30 18:10:05 UTC  

One of the boycotts that come to mind are people taking golf clubs to their Kuerig machines.

2018-08-30 18:10:38 UTC  

That was because they were folding to pressure from the Left.

2018-08-30 18:11:22 UTC  

All in all, our preferences as far as businesses go, If they take a side, we'd like it to be our side. But ideally, we'd rather them just stay neutral.

2018-08-30 18:12:13 UTC  

I meant to ask if you were OK with that kind of stuff. I think it's what Tim was going at and what I was taking as the key idea.

The Tea Party protests were *really* small. I wouldn't be surprised if a Proud Boys rally is now regularly larger despite being more unpopular.

2018-08-30 18:12:26 UTC  

Boycotts are intended to hurt businesses.

2018-08-30 18:12:37 UTC  

Expecting to get in a fight isn't violence, but it's not bowing out either.

2018-08-30 18:13:05 UTC  

Unlicensed political street art can be thought of as a form of vandalism. Or free expression.

2018-08-30 18:13:52 UTC  

The left has been ok with this stuff for awhile. I think the question is if the right is beginning to change it's mind on some of these kinds of tactics.

2018-08-30 18:14:11 UTC  

When that business takes a stance of 'anti-' whatever conservative position is held

2018-08-30 18:14:37 UTC  

I can't cry foul of a boycott of those businesses by those who hold those positions.

2018-08-30 18:15:46 UTC  

I've got a good case study on this.

2018-08-30 18:15:55 UTC  

Let's take the Chick-Fil-A controversy a few years back.

2018-08-30 18:16:34 UTC  

It comes out that Truett donates his own money to certain organizations.

2018-08-30 18:17:17 UTC  

Those organizations are in whatever way in opposition to LGBT matters.

2018-08-30 18:17:49 UTC  

I think it's misguided to attribute that to every franchise everywhere, or even to the corporation.

2018-08-30 18:17:57 UTC  

But whatever. Boycott if you like.

2018-08-30 18:18:35 UTC  

I think stuff like this crosses the line out of boycott and into something else... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0OE3OwGMwk

2018-08-30 18:19:07 UTC  

Being vocal, trying to convince others to stand with you in not giving this company money, that's one thing entirely. Boycotts are fine. Buycotts are fine.

2018-08-30 18:19:51 UTC  

But being disruptive and abusive in an attempt to damage a business and/or it's employees is a line I wouldn't cross.

2018-08-30 19:59:01 UTC  

Am i a complete nut? This is my opinion. I dont hold very much weight in it but here goes: The 1% republicans have staged a coup that inflitrated the Democrats, they spread these crazy ideals to them all about trannies, muslims. Illegal immigration, and the economy. The Democrats fell for it and took the bait. They started preaching this shit on the regular. They call anyone who opposes them as "fascist". To the point it is sickening. Everyone hates these faggots with purple hair as they chant abolish borders and abolish profit. Everyone starts using the term fascist or misrepresentating fascism. To the point that people actually think fascism, or modern fascism is acceptable. Then the 1%er Republicans move in fast, easily winning 2016 presidency and soon the 2018 midterms. Wide spread laws are passed easily that pertain to the economy and immigration reform. After losing in 2020 and again in 2022 the Democrats resort to acts of violence, bombing civic buildings, public executions etc. Then...... the real fascism laws are introduced. Theyve cried wolf, (fascism) too many times before and nobody takes anyone seriously by 2023 when the word is said.

2018-08-30 20:00:20 UTC  

Am i a complete nut? This is my opinion. I dont hold very much weight in it but here goes: The 1% republicans have staged a coup that inflitrated the Democrats, they spread these crazy ideals to them all about trannies, muslims. Illegal immigration, and the economy. The Democrats fell for it and took the bait. They started preaching this shit on the regular. They call anyone who opposes them as "fascist". To the point it is sickening. Everyone hates these faggots with purple hair as they chant abolish borders and abolish profit. Everyone starts using the term fascist or misrepresentating fascism. To the point that people actually think fascism, or modern fascism is acceptable. Then the 1%er Republicans move in fast, easily winning 2016 presidency and soon the 2018 midterms. Wide spread laws are passed easily that pertain to the economy and immigration reform.

2018-08-30 20:00:42 UTC  

Yes you're a complete nut.

2018-08-30 20:00:58 UTC  

1% does not imply republican.

2018-08-30 20:01:08 UTC  

Plenty of mega-rich support the democrats.

2018-08-30 20:01:25 UTC  

Oi i tried cutting it up but it keeps being too long

2018-08-30 20:01:41 UTC  

And no coup has taken place. This lurch to the far left has been happening for years and years.

2018-08-30 20:02:43 UTC  

Has it though? Ive never been cool with muslims and i was always a leftist

2018-08-30 20:03:16 UTC  

Yes. I went to university in the early 2000s and it was happening then.