Message from @pratel
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Some most definitely are
But I do think that it's generally a trait of a worldview based on tradition that you know what you are and what you believe - even if you don't have an explanation for it. And that's one of the key differences I see.
It doesn't have to be the whole right. I believe the parts of the right that live in places where they are the majority or don't really follow politics are still very mild-mannered and quiet. I would say a significant fraction is changing though which is all you need for hardcore activism.
One of the key things I see in terms of protest is that the 'buycott' is far more likely than a protest.
I also thing it's changed most in places like the west coast where they are a harassed minority.
That is, if a restaurant or something is being protested by the left for some dumb-as-fuck reason
Conservatives will come from HOURS away to reinforce.
Provided they don't back down.
That's what I think the argument is.
Is the right unifying and starting to take collective actions.
Most of them seem to be reparative.
The precise tactics may vary, but that is the question.
I think the style also changes dramatically if you are in a place where you're a harassed minority and if you're in a silent majority.
In generally, we'll abandon groups that resort to hard violence, something the left won't do as long as those groups represent opposition to something they don't like.
Yes.
It's what we are that is far more important than what we're opposed to.
Atleast for now.
I think if the left turns the country into California, things might change.
Which is why Patriot Prayer and The Proud Boys seem most active along the west coast.
I do still support them. I haven't seen them turn to violence for the sake of it.
Whether they are accepted by the mainstream right in those locales is a question I can't answer. But I don't think it's a coincidence they operate in what is one of the most left-dominated corridors of the country.
I'll burn all alt-right connections, though.
I can't support ethnic nationalism.
Agreed.
But I do think that if you push and push and push, people start getting more desperate.
That doesn't make us violent, though
If that makes sense.
I think you're fixating a bit to much on targeted violence.
I think the original point was about organized campaigns.
Which may or may not be violent.
I haven't seen very many that weren't generally to troll.
I'd need to see some to hypothesize what it all means.
Boycott campaigns? Showing up to a protest march fully expecting Antifa will start a fight (and getting into said fight)? Public Graffiti?
This is "nonviolent" stuff the left will do all the time. And the right seems like it might be picking up on it.
I can't think of any solid boycott campaigns that weren't counter-boycotts. It's been shown time and time again, if you hold any meeting, rally, or bar meet-up, you're likely to get a violent response from Antifa. Again, it's a response and not an initiation. Could use some examples of the Public Graffiti, though. I haven't seen that one.
One of the boycotts that come to mind are people taking golf clubs to their Kuerig machines.
That was because they were folding to pressure from the Left.
All in all, our preferences as far as businesses go, If they take a side, we'd like it to be our side. But ideally, we'd rather them just stay neutral.
I meant to ask if you were OK with that kind of stuff. I think it's what Tim was going at and what I was taking as the key idea.
The Tea Party protests were *really* small. I wouldn't be surprised if a Proud Boys rally is now regularly larger despite being more unpopular.
Boycotts are intended to hurt businesses.
Expecting to get in a fight isn't violence, but it's not bowing out either.