Message from @pratel

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2018-08-30 17:55:55 UTC  

That's what I think the argument is.

2018-08-30 17:56:09 UTC  

Is the right unifying and starting to take collective actions.

2018-08-30 17:56:25 UTC  

Most of them seem to be reparative.

2018-08-30 17:56:37 UTC  

The precise tactics may vary, but that is the question.

2018-08-30 17:57:08 UTC  

I think the style also changes dramatically if you are in a place where you're a harassed minority and if you're in a silent majority.

2018-08-30 17:57:31 UTC  

In generally, we'll abandon groups that resort to hard violence, something the left won't do as long as those groups represent opposition to something they don't like.

2018-08-30 17:57:41 UTC  

Yes.

2018-08-30 17:57:55 UTC  

It's what we are that is far more important than what we're opposed to.

2018-08-30 17:58:09 UTC  

Atleast for now.

2018-08-30 17:58:23 UTC  

I think if the left turns the country into California, things might change.

2018-08-30 17:58:37 UTC  

Which is why Patriot Prayer and The Proud Boys seem most active along the west coast.

2018-08-30 17:59:12 UTC  

I do still support them. I haven't seen them turn to violence for the sake of it.

2018-08-30 17:59:19 UTC  

Whether they are accepted by the mainstream right in those locales is a question I can't answer. But I don't think it's a coincidence they operate in what is one of the most left-dominated corridors of the country.

2018-08-30 17:59:43 UTC  

I'll burn all alt-right connections, though.

2018-08-30 17:59:57 UTC  

I can't support ethnic nationalism.

2018-08-30 18:00:19 UTC  

Agreed.

2018-08-30 18:00:35 UTC  

But I do think that if you push and push and push, people start getting more desperate.

2018-08-30 18:00:51 UTC  

That doesn't make us violent, though

2018-08-30 18:01:10 UTC  

If that makes sense.

2018-08-30 18:01:26 UTC  

I think you're fixating a bit to much on targeted violence.

2018-08-30 18:01:39 UTC  

I think the original point was about organized campaigns.

2018-08-30 18:01:47 UTC  

Which may or may not be violent.

2018-08-30 18:02:00 UTC  

I haven't seen very many that weren't generally to troll.

2018-08-30 18:02:36 UTC  

I'd need to see some to hypothesize what it all means.

2018-08-30 18:06:14 UTC  

Boycott campaigns? Showing up to a protest march fully expecting Antifa will start a fight (and getting into said fight)? Public Graffiti?

2018-08-30 18:06:42 UTC  

This is "nonviolent" stuff the left will do all the time. And the right seems like it might be picking up on it.

2018-08-30 18:09:17 UTC  

I can't think of any solid boycott campaigns that weren't counter-boycotts. It's been shown time and time again, if you hold any meeting, rally, or bar meet-up, you're likely to get a violent response from Antifa. Again, it's a response and not an initiation. Could use some examples of the Public Graffiti, though. I haven't seen that one.

2018-08-30 18:10:05 UTC  

One of the boycotts that come to mind are people taking golf clubs to their Kuerig machines.

2018-08-30 18:10:38 UTC  

That was because they were folding to pressure from the Left.

2018-08-30 18:11:22 UTC  

All in all, our preferences as far as businesses go, If they take a side, we'd like it to be our side. But ideally, we'd rather them just stay neutral.

2018-08-30 18:12:13 UTC  

I meant to ask if you were OK with that kind of stuff. I think it's what Tim was going at and what I was taking as the key idea.

The Tea Party protests were *really* small. I wouldn't be surprised if a Proud Boys rally is now regularly larger despite being more unpopular.

2018-08-30 18:12:26 UTC  

Boycotts are intended to hurt businesses.

2018-08-30 18:12:37 UTC  

Expecting to get in a fight isn't violence, but it's not bowing out either.

2018-08-30 18:13:05 UTC  

Unlicensed political street art can be thought of as a form of vandalism. Or free expression.

2018-08-30 18:13:52 UTC  

The left has been ok with this stuff for awhile. I think the question is if the right is beginning to change it's mind on some of these kinds of tactics.

2018-08-30 18:14:11 UTC  

When that business takes a stance of 'anti-' whatever conservative position is held

2018-08-30 18:14:37 UTC  

I can't cry foul of a boycott of those businesses by those who hold those positions.

2018-08-30 18:15:46 UTC  

I've got a good case study on this.

2018-08-30 18:15:55 UTC  

Let's take the Chick-Fil-A controversy a few years back.

2018-08-30 18:16:34 UTC  

It comes out that Truett donates his own money to certain organizations.

2018-08-30 18:17:17 UTC  

Those organizations are in whatever way in opposition to LGBT matters.