In an interesting turn of events, Tim happened to give probably the best 'pro choice' argument I think I've heard.

It's the usual libertarian stance.

It's actually pretty close to my personal stance, actually.

Oh, I'm all for protecting life. But not just in utero. Cradle to grave.

It's pretty close to my own, as well

except I come at it from a conservative libertarian stance

the interesting thing is seeing his angle, and noting the subtleties.

I'm really apathetic on abortion, TBH

the differences, and realizing that's where politics needs to go back to.

I think it's absolutely a valid fear as far as the Conservative side of things goes

that they might actually try to ban ALL forms of abortion.

And I'm not for that, either.

Abortion needs to be a procedure considered solemnly, like surgery or chemo.

I absolutely don't think an organization like Planned Parenthood takes it sufficiently seriously, especially given it's roots.

And the fanaticism surrounding the process is absolutely top-tier disgusting.

Oh, PP getting public money I'm against. I'm not really for anyone getting public money like that without good cause.

Can also agree that if it's surgery, it needs to be treated as such. We've somehow it a point where surgery is treated rather flippantly overall.

im not for paying for another individuals mistakes

I dont mind helping victims of rape however

I don't know where this new blasé attitude toward abortion came from. It's bizarre.

@GingaBomber I'm of the stance, that in the case of rape, it should be paid as part of the punishment.

I dont mind helping the person.

Not exactly the

Payment part? Well, its part of paying damages

But what if the woman decides to keep the child?

And its a false accusation?

If it's a false accusation things get much harder. Part of the issue is that if you just subsidize it, you create an incentive to lie.

From what I've read, bans fail to reduce abortion rates.

In communist Romania, it caused health problens

Including a spike in Hep C rates

Yes and that is why you want a 3 party abortion system where you have to talk to a "pro life" faction that wants to save the child.

Than 72h to think about that

and THEN you might (or not) get the Abortion

Id argue to just privatise the whole thing

I dont want to pay tax dollars for this.

Then of course we get the american healthcare, which is also a joke

Yeah you still need a "neutral" instance in that shit so that it doesn't get crazier...

as for abortions: Aren't most aborted childs black?

I don't think so. However, most planned parenthood centres are placed near black areas.

I like the idea of the crisis health centres. They talk to the patients, offers them other methods, before giving the abortion.

Yes, it's about supporting a culture of life. Discouraging the termination of pregnancies and then wanting to be "hands off" from there out isn't a pro-life stance, in my opinion.