But right now?

okay, lets discount future science as it can make the whole debate irrelevant by letting humans have our cake and eat it too

Okay, if it doesn't enter a female then sperm can not result in human life.

If sperm does enter a female, it can result in human life.

correct. Now a Fertilized egg. If it does not enter a female body (we are counting surrogates here, hence enter) Does it have a chance to result in human life (if we consider that at least born baby level of development for right now)?

No.

It would die shortly after growing a bit.

Wait that's a 2 fold question

Didnt read it close enough

Oh wait, no it's not.

now, i just put in clarification

Yes its human life

It's just not gonna live.

well hold now

The question confused me at first

If either a sperm or fertilized egg are removed from the female body at any point, they will not result in human life (as defined by needing to be born)?

My response is that it is human life. But does not have a chance to grow more than it already has.

that wasn't a question if it was or was not, i'm just saying for the purpose of the question, birth is the min level of development where basically everyone agrees it is human life

I disagree with that premise.

i know you do

if you want me to say "born baby" rather than human life, i can from now on

But if it was never in a womb to grow, how can it be born?

but i'm trying to find out how far back on the development track we can go while both in agreement.

That's why it confused me at first

it can't, hence why it can't be human life, or reworded, can't be a born baby

That makes no sense

here, If a sperm cell never enters a female, it will never have a chance to turn into a born baby. If a sperm cell does enter a female, it has a chance

Being human isnt about being born. It's about having exactly 46 chromosomes.

That cell has exactly that many, therefor it is human life.

if a fertilized egg never enters a female, it will never result in a born baby, or 9 months of development

But it wont last because there is nothing to nurture it.

wait, so people with an extra chromosome are not human?

rip everyone with Aneuploidy.

Never heard of a person with 47 chromosomes

seriously? never heard of people with an extra X?

Klinefelter syndrome

Well I wont say I'm not shocked

47 chromosomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

45 chromosomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

abnormal, sure

Well fine maybe my exact definition is not as accurate as something else

same reason we can't require having x arms or legs as people sometimes don't. but we still count them as human