or at least a body of a grown person

So forgive me if I'm wrong but I do not see how masturbation relates to miscarriages/abortions.

The human male makes millions of sperm a day.

yes, but we don't choose to kill them.

masturbation is a choice

as is abortion

periods and miscarriages are not, nor is standard decay of cells

Sperm dies shortly after creation

They last like 3 days in the male body

you are missing hte point

Yeah I'm confused.

if sperm never enters a female, does it have a chance to result in human life?

No

If it does enter a female, does it have a chance to result in human life?

Well with science doing all them bullshit things

Maybe in the future it does

But right now?

okay, lets discount future science as it can make the whole debate irrelevant by letting humans have our cake and eat it too

Okay, if it doesn't enter a female then sperm can not result in human life.

If sperm does enter a female, it can result in human life.

correct. Now a Fertilized egg. If it does not enter a female body (we are counting surrogates here, hence enter) Does it have a chance to result in human life (if we consider that at least born baby level of development for right now)?

No.

It would die shortly after growing a bit.

Wait that's a 2 fold question

Didnt read it close enough

Oh wait, no it's not.

now, i just put in clarification

Yes its human life

It's just not gonna live.

well hold now

The question confused me at first

If either a sperm or fertilized egg are removed from the female body at any point, they will not result in human life (as defined by needing to be born)?

My response is that it is human life. But does not have a chance to grow more than it already has.

that wasn't a question if it was or was not, i'm just saying for the purpose of the question, birth is the min level of development where basically everyone agrees it is human life

I disagree with that premise.

i know you do

if you want me to say "born baby" rather than human life, i can from now on

But if it was never in a womb to grow, how can it be born?

but i'm trying to find out how far back on the development track we can go while both in agreement.

That's why it confused me at first

it can't, hence why it can't be human life, or reworded, can't be a born baby