Message from @Cody
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yes, but we don't choose to kill them.
masturbation is a choice
as is abortion
periods and miscarriages are not, nor is standard decay of cells
Sperm dies shortly after creation
They last like 3 days in the male body
you are missing hte point
Yeah I'm confused.
if sperm never enters a female, does it have a chance to result in human life?
No
If it does enter a female, does it have a chance to result in human life?
Well with science doing all them bullshit things
Maybe in the future it does
But right now?
okay, lets discount future science as it can make the whole debate irrelevant by letting humans have our cake and eat it too
Okay, if it doesn't enter a female then sperm can not result in human life.
If sperm does enter a female, it can result in human life.
correct. Now a Fertilized egg. If it does not enter a female body (we are counting surrogates here, hence enter) Does it have a chance to result in human life (if we consider that at least born baby level of development for right now)?
No.
It would die shortly after growing a bit.
Didnt read it close enough
Oh wait, no it's not.
now, i just put in clarification
Yes its human life
It's just not gonna live.
well hold now
The question confused me at first
If either a sperm or fertilized egg are removed from the female body at any point, they will not result in human life (as defined by needing to be born)?
My response is that it is human life. But does not have a chance to grow more than it already has.
that wasn't a question if it was or was not, i'm just saying for the purpose of the question, birth is the min level of development where basically everyone agrees it is human life
I disagree with that premise.
i know you do
if you want me to say "born baby" rather than human life, i can from now on
But if it was never in a womb to grow, how can it be born?
but i'm trying to find out how far back on the development track we can go while both in agreement.
That's why it confused me at first
it can't, hence why it can't be human life, or reworded, can't be a born baby
That makes no sense
here, If a sperm cell never enters a female, it will never have a chance to turn into a born baby. If a sperm cell does enter a female, it has a chance
Being human isnt about being born. It's about having exactly 46 chromosomes.