i know you do

if you want me to say "born baby" rather than human life, i can from now on

But if it was never in a womb to grow, how can it be born?

but i'm trying to find out how far back on the development track we can go while both in agreement.

That's why it confused me at first

it can't, hence why it can't be human life, or reworded, can't be a born baby

That makes no sense

here, If a sperm cell never enters a female, it will never have a chance to turn into a born baby. If a sperm cell does enter a female, it has a chance

Being human isnt about being born. It's about having exactly 46 chromosomes.

That cell has exactly that many, therefor it is human life.

if a fertilized egg never enters a female, it will never result in a born baby, or 9 months of development

But it wont last because there is nothing to nurture it.

wait, so people with an extra chromosome are not human?

rip everyone with Aneuploidy.

Never heard of a person with 47 chromosomes

seriously? never heard of people with an extra X?

Klinefelter syndrome

Well I wont say I'm not shocked

47 chromosomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

45 chromosomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

abnormal, sure

Well fine maybe my exact definition is not as accurate as something else

same reason we can't require having x arms or legs as people sometimes don't. but we still count them as human

But that fertilized egg has it's own unique set of dna

Completely separate from whatever entity's created it

So its life

incorrect. it has half and half.

or in the case of incest, it can be a clone

rare and require mother son or father daughter

but can be

I mean sure.

But that really doesn't change my point though. It's a completely separate thing from the parents.

Be those parents the same person or not

And its unlikely to be an exact clone

unlikely, but if it was, would it not have life?

obviously not but why?

So unlikely that it's on the scale of impossible

not really

Babies constantly mutate in minor ways

if you have a daughter, half her DNA is from her father. There is probably closer to a 1/4 chance of any give egg being the same set of dna the egg that made her was

But DNA mutates often

In reproductive cells