Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-11-03 19:47:03 UTC  

own*

2018-11-03 19:48:04 UTC  

Yes but I personally view ideas as a constant evolution of thought, it is a progression that can lead to greater deviations.

2018-11-03 19:49:00 UTC  

Because you are right there is nothing new under the sun, but that doesn't discount the distinction that comes from iterations on the same idea.

2018-11-03 19:49:02 UTC  

well but that doesnt mean it is so

2018-11-03 19:49:09 UTC  

different set of assumptions

2018-11-03 19:49:26 UTC  

if base assumptions/axions are same, call it what you want marxism will be marxism

2018-11-03 19:49:41 UTC  

be it struggle of working vs burgeoise or identity politics

2018-11-03 19:50:04 UTC  

You are right is the same thing with a new coat of paint, but that is how things have always been.

2018-11-03 19:50:15 UTC  

nope

2018-11-03 19:50:27 UTC  

For instance, the earliest work we know of, the Epic of Gilgamesh was a work that evolved over the course of a millenium.

2018-11-03 19:50:29 UTC  

it how people want them to be

2018-11-03 19:50:40 UTC  

same for bible

2018-11-03 19:50:49 UTC  

yeah

2018-11-03 19:50:54 UTC  

and talmud, and what not

2018-11-03 19:51:17 UTC  

but the premise is same, however, some premises are different

2018-11-03 19:51:34 UTC  

the evolve but evolution of ideas is not chained like genetic inheritance

2018-11-03 19:51:46 UTC  

it can influence though

2018-11-03 19:58:14 UTC  

Just making sure, you guys know that the Talmud isn't like the 'Jewish Bible' right?

2018-11-03 20:04:28 UTC  

totally irrelevant to the conversation

2018-11-03 20:37:19 UTC  

Well, you just compared the Epic of Gilgamesh and The Bible to the Talmud.

2018-11-03 20:37:30 UTC  

And that's not exactly accurate.

2018-11-03 20:38:32 UTC  

You wouldn't compare Harry Potter, Game of Thrones and the 'For Dummies' series.

2018-11-03 20:39:17 UTC  

But, yeah. That explanation aside, apologies for interrupting the debate.

2018-11-03 20:59:39 UTC  

That is a poor comparison to make. The Tanakh is of course the closest equivalent to the Christian Bible, with it being made up of the Torah, Nevi'im, and Ketuvim.

2018-11-03 21:00:07 UTC  

The Talmud is a study on theology and religious law

2018-11-03 21:01:05 UTC  

It is still a core work in Rabbinic Judaism and a better comparison for the Talmud would be a textbook, since it is more direct in the teaching of concepts over narrative.

2018-11-03 23:29:36 UTC  

Use-mention distinction is dying. That's the worst part of all the censorship.

Volokh Conspiracy changed papers because WaPo wouldn't let them cite court cases where they would have to use racial slurs to accurately reproduce court proceedings. Tim is afraid to read articles which are themselves reproducing racial slurs as they are the entire point of the story.

We're approaching a point where it may not be possible to report what is happening without running afoul of the censors. What kind of dystopia is this?

2018-11-03 23:41:35 UTC  

Operation Google 2 when?

2018-11-04 05:38:49 UTC  

super google 2

2018-11-04 06:47:34 UTC  

@Dvir you are correct. Also your name makes you hard to @...

2018-11-04 06:48:11 UTC  

Volokh Conspiracy is one of the most solid legal blogs on the web.

2018-11-04 06:48:22 UTC  

Eugene Volokh seems like a very solid guy.

2018-11-04 06:48:29 UTC  

I had a short exchange with him regarding a case.

2018-11-04 06:48:51 UTC  

He and Aaron T. Caplan have written an amicus brief regarding the Zoe Quinn case.

2018-11-04 06:49:30 UTC  

Zoe Quinn had engaged in the kind of legal abuse that is all too common now.

2018-11-04 06:49:44 UTC  

She had used a protection order to basically get something like a gag order.

2018-11-04 06:50:26 UTC  

Protection orders were intended to protect against severe, immediate physical harm, but he was restrained from even posting ABOUT her, which Eugene Volokh argued constituted a prior restraint on free speech.

2018-11-04 06:50:59 UTC  

I am hoping that the Supreme Court can revert many of what is now established legal practices in regards to the abusive use of protection orders and other legal remedies.

2018-11-04 06:51:35 UTC  

Also, not many know, but Eugene Volokh had actually started out as a computer scientist and later switched to law.

2018-11-04 06:52:08 UTC  

I highly recommend the incredibly articulate amicus brief he has written.

2018-11-04 08:07:30 UTC  

Volokh Conspiracy has more citations in court (citations meaning people using his work and citing him as a reference, not him getting in trouble with the law) than some top legal journals. If you read Volokh Conspiracy, you're often getting real legal opinions that can often float around the Supreme Court. Volokh et al. are very solid legal scholars and incredible people who have helped a lot of people better understand the law and dedicate their work to be publicly available for the layperson to understand. A true treasure and worthwhile reading for anyone with even a cursory interest in law or politics.