The court can get shit wrong because they're politically motivated

No it doesn't. Not in my reading at least. But ultimately it will depend on the reading of six men and three women it seems.

You can't have your own personal truth regarding the meaning of the 14th. The framers made it clear in their writings

It would never have occurred me that something so foundational would be controversial.

You can't bend reality to justify bad policy post hoc

It is clear to me. And everyone else until a few weeks ago.

People have disagreed with this for a while. It just wasn;t in the spotlight till Trump said something

Until a few weeks ago nobody dreamed that even Trump would have the balls to challenge this.

Remember, we're not making the case to implement birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship has been the law of the land for 150 years.

Yes, and that law is based on unconstitutional rulings on the 14th by leftists judges

Looks like we'll all have to agree to disagree

I would like to see some of these 19th century rulings on the citizen ship of illegal alien children.

Now next question, IF birthright citizenship is overturned what does that mean for all of us? Will we all have to prove our lineage back to someone legally naturalized or to someone here when the nation was formed in 1789? Or to a slave brought to the country before 1865? Or a native american?

How many will suddenly find themselves unable to prove they belong here?

And what about destroyed records? What records will count?

Justicar mentioned that!
if Birthright Citizenship is unconstitutional, all unconstitutional aquired citizenships can (and will) be revoked

Depending on the number of illegal aliens, probably a few million.

thus the persoons deportet

Will we all have to go scouring courthouses for old birth and death records?

But Stefan, how far back do you go?

In fact, no. The bureaucracy, bloated as it might be, can probably do some primitive work in trimming down the people they need to check.

That's for *CONGRESS* to decide.

What if you find you can't prove your own right to be here?

Where is the burden of proof?

if CONGRESS don't to the beginning.

I don't think Stefan has a right to be here at all.

And we talked about this, Cat.

I guess I should buy stock in genealogy companies because they may be about to see exploding business by people who have to go to the 1780's to prove they belong here

And Trump can say that its the Dems fault for blocking this thing.

just stopping future anchor babies is sufficient.

Sufficient isn't the same as ideal, though.

removes a lot of the motivation for illegal immigration. enforcement of existing laws and construction of the wall handles the rest.

i think we're way, way, WAY past ideal here. we're doing triage.

Depends on if Trump wants a Power Play and rekt the Dems or not. And thus he can deport them all and/or use that as a leverage thingy.

trying to save the US from collapse. ideal is not on the table.

And I'd say that he will use it to show them who's boss and that the Dems are not with Immigrants

What the fuck? Stop smoking crack guys, If BR Citizenship is revoked every current citizen will be grandfathered in

All I can see coming from this is suspicion about the legitimacy of every brown person.

There would be an insane amount of violence in the streets if people lost citizenship

That's conspiracy talk

I'm just trying to reason out next steps