Message from @Cody

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2018-11-30 11:31:19 UTC  

They are the regulators

2018-11-30 11:31:24 UTC  

When you bribe a politician, what are you bribing them to do?

2018-11-30 11:31:37 UTC  

Regulate

2018-11-30 11:31:47 UTC  

you mean interfere?

2018-11-30 11:32:01 UTC  

The bribe politicians to regulate

2018-11-30 11:32:10 UTC  

Yourself?

2018-11-30 11:32:12 UTC  

So in a completely free market

2018-11-30 11:32:26 UTC  

You eventually see regulations everytime

2018-11-30 11:32:48 UTC  

But the government isn't a part of a "completely free market".

2018-11-30 11:33:11 UTC  

If you do not regulate one of the 3 I mentioned before, you will see corruption everytime

2018-11-30 11:33:22 UTC  

And once you regulate 1 of the 3

2018-11-30 11:33:29 UTC  

Corruption cannot exist, if government doesn't exist. By definition.

2018-11-30 11:33:39 UTC  

You have regulated some part of the economy

2018-11-30 11:33:48 UTC  

Not a free market

2018-11-30 11:34:09 UTC  

So, we seem to not only disagree on what a free market is, but also on what government is.

2018-11-30 11:34:29 UTC  

Probably on what corruption is as well.

2018-11-30 11:35:16 UTC  

Pretty sure I was right 40 minutes ago. It's a misunderstanding of systems.

2018-11-30 11:35:42 UTC  

Government does exist in a free market

2018-11-30 11:35:58 UTC  

Because once you go full free market

2018-11-30 11:36:05 UTC  

@RyeNorth, you mentioned earlier that in your nation internet radio is taxed in a way that terrestrial is not. But aren't there levies that work the other way around, too? Costs to lease public airwaves? It sounds like you're challenging government's right to tax rather than necessarily addressing regulation. That's another legitimate debate, but when arguments get conflated it gets confusing to know what point is cleanly being made in a debate.

2018-11-30 11:36:20 UTC  

You will eventually see the rich bribing politicians to regulate

2018-11-30 11:36:41 UTC  

That is the guaranteed corruption of a free market

2018-11-30 11:36:55 UTC  

Do you think it's the role of government to tamper with the market?

2018-11-30 11:37:12 UTC  

I do for some things yes

2018-11-30 11:37:22 UTC  

I see. I don't.

2018-11-30 11:37:25 UTC  

I think they should regulate lobbying

2018-11-30 11:37:45 UTC  

And other things, that make the market

2018-11-30 11:37:55 UTC  

No longer a "free market"

2018-11-30 11:38:23 UTC  

Do you think the government and the market are the same thing?

2018-11-30 11:38:25 UTC  

In a completely free market, you can have slavery

2018-11-30 11:38:41 UTC  

Or child labor, or contract killers

2018-11-30 11:39:05 UTC  

No

2018-11-30 11:39:33 UTC  

Paradox (and @RyeNorth), what about public safety? In the 1930's a company decided it would be cost effective to use ethylene glycol as a diluent for cough syrup. Lots of people died from kidney failure due to imbibing antifreeze. It was due to this and similar instances that the government began regulating not only purity but safety of foods, drugs, and cosmetics. Should government be regulating the safety of what we eat?

2018-11-30 11:39:44 UTC  

In a system based around a free market

2018-11-30 11:39:45 UTC  

So, you want the government to have the power to regulate, so it can regulate itself. That doesn't make much sense to me.

2018-11-30 11:40:12 UTC  

You regulate the most corrupt things, and evil things

2018-11-30 11:41:24 UTC  

Codes, let me take the stand for a bit...unless @Paradox has given up in exasperation. 😟

2018-11-30 11:41:34 UTC  

Ok

2018-11-30 11:41:44 UTC  

You explained it better anyway

2018-11-30 11:41:47 UTC  

pretty much given up, we disagree on too many fundamentals.

2018-11-30 11:42:02 UTC  

corruption, government, free market, all of that we disagree on