Message from @Cody

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2018-11-30 11:27:24 UTC  

If you believe in regulation

2018-11-30 11:27:42 UTC  

Doesn't matter who you are regulating

2018-11-30 11:27:49 UTC  

I wouldn't call limited government power regulation, though, it's basically the opposite.

2018-11-30 11:28:04 UTC  

Regulation the government is The same as freeing the market.

2018-11-30 11:28:38 UTC  

Because the government itself is interference on the market.

2018-11-30 11:28:38 UTC  

But you then have to regulate the big guys to prevent them from individual bribing politicians

2018-11-30 11:28:57 UTC  

Nope, imagine no government. Who do you bribe?

2018-11-30 11:29:11 UTC  

See, a free market would have unrestricted donations to politicians

2018-11-30 11:29:27 UTC  

Which part of the market is the government?

2018-11-30 11:29:35 UTC  

Because that pertains of 2 individuals doing things

2018-11-30 11:30:18 UTC  

So if you think we should limit the amount each person could donate, then you do not believe in the free market

2018-11-30 11:30:33 UTC  

Also lobbying is a private business

2018-11-30 11:30:45 UTC  

I'm curious, though, which part of the market government is. Is it the supply? Is it the demand?

2018-11-30 11:30:46 UTC  

You would be regulating lobbying firms

2018-11-30 11:31:19 UTC  

They are the regulators

2018-11-30 11:31:24 UTC  

When you bribe a politician, what are you bribing them to do?

2018-11-30 11:31:37 UTC  

Regulate

2018-11-30 11:31:47 UTC  

you mean interfere?

2018-11-30 11:32:01 UTC  

The bribe politicians to regulate

2018-11-30 11:32:10 UTC  

Yourself?

2018-11-30 11:32:12 UTC  

So in a completely free market

2018-11-30 11:32:26 UTC  

You eventually see regulations everytime

2018-11-30 11:32:48 UTC  

But the government isn't a part of a "completely free market".

2018-11-30 11:33:11 UTC  

If you do not regulate one of the 3 I mentioned before, you will see corruption everytime

2018-11-30 11:33:22 UTC  

And once you regulate 1 of the 3

2018-11-30 11:33:29 UTC  

Corruption cannot exist, if government doesn't exist. By definition.

2018-11-30 11:33:39 UTC  

You have regulated some part of the economy

2018-11-30 11:33:48 UTC  

Not a free market

2018-11-30 11:34:09 UTC  

So, we seem to not only disagree on what a free market is, but also on what government is.

2018-11-30 11:34:29 UTC  

Probably on what corruption is as well.

2018-11-30 11:35:16 UTC  

Pretty sure I was right 40 minutes ago. It's a misunderstanding of systems.

2018-11-30 11:35:42 UTC  

Government does exist in a free market

2018-11-30 11:35:58 UTC  

Because once you go full free market

2018-11-30 11:36:05 UTC  

@RyeNorth, you mentioned earlier that in your nation internet radio is taxed in a way that terrestrial is not. But aren't there levies that work the other way around, too? Costs to lease public airwaves? It sounds like you're challenging government's right to tax rather than necessarily addressing regulation. That's another legitimate debate, but when arguments get conflated it gets confusing to know what point is cleanly being made in a debate.

2018-11-30 11:36:20 UTC  

You will eventually see the rich bribing politicians to regulate

2018-11-30 11:36:41 UTC  

That is the guaranteed corruption of a free market

2018-11-30 11:36:55 UTC  

Do you think it's the role of government to tamper with the market?

2018-11-30 11:37:12 UTC  

I do for some things yes

2018-11-30 11:37:22 UTC  

I see. I don't.

2018-11-30 11:37:25 UTC  

I think they should regulate lobbying

2018-11-30 11:37:45 UTC  

And other things, that make the market