Okay, all we were discussing was whether drunkenness was something that barred consent according to the study

according to WHO it does, but if substance use isnt significantly associated with an increase, then most people attending parties/using substances have an understanding about drunk sex and it not being so black and white as the louder, more vindictive claimants of sexual assault make it out to be

Nah, I know there are people that full-on victim blame, and I know it can seem like that is what I was saying. Sorry for the misunderstanding, since again, all I was saying was that there to essentially just be cautious and think about the future/what could happen. Obviously, this doesn't apply if things go or events take place which you did not originally account for.

@pukebood WHO source?

world health org

i know, i'm asking for where to look specifically

http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/global_campaign/en/chap6.pdf

Yeah, there is that too: a lot of the time I hear feminists going on about the "1 in 5" statistic, they also usually drum up alcohol and parties. I think maybe that is why I jumped into that topic, since it is the one that is usually being discussed on this issue, on both sides.

@JadenFrostwolf That CSA study is the source of the 1 in 5 stat

"It may also occur when the
person aggressed is unable to give consent – for
instance, while drunk, drugged, asleep or mentally
incapable of understanding the situation."

Yeah.

considering the following qualifiers, you need to be *pretty* drunk

but they dont extrapolate on that, which has probably caused some issue

@pukeblood, i interpret that to mean that alcohol can negat consent, which i agree with. You don't think that it means it must right? That is to say that being drunk means you can't consent full stop.

Degree and context matter

Yeah. There's a difference between having a couple drinks or smoking some pot, and being five bottles in and doing a much harder substance.

And even then id hesitate to call consensual sex with a long term boyfriend with whom you do hard drugs assault

I dont see how I couldve been interpreted as 1 drink = no agency

@pukeblood "according to WHO it does"

yeah their definition is right there lmao

all it says is "while drunk"

it CAN be interpreted that way, thats a problem

yes, so our discussion was over whether context and degree mattered. My statement was meant to be read as more or less 1 drink = no agency

"Drunk" means different things to different people, basically.

also from WHO; http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/terminology/who_lexicon/en/
"Intoxication is highly dependent on the type and dose of drug and is influenced by an individual's level of tolerance and other factors. Frequently, a drug is taken in order to achieve a desired degree of intoxication. The behavioural expression of a given level of intoxication is strongly influenced by cultural and personal expectations about the effects of the drug."

obviously these cases need to be solved uniquely, regarding the drinking ones, meanwhile a majority of the problem stems from relationship abuse and that doesnt seem to have come up in all the activism surrounding rape culture

@pukeblood, in my experience its a major topic of discussion amongst people informed on the topic

we trivialize drunk sex because its socially acceptable, even according to the CSA study, but I dont think we trivialize relationship abuse

Even less so when it comes to men. I know that is kind of out-of-nowhere, but even going off of that study, I don't think it's a leap in logic to assume that a lot of male victims of abuse don't report what is happening to them.

Laci Green for example, talks about this a bunch

Aside from the studies, for the sake of clarity, my only real "experience" with these kinds of issues is what I leaned while attending some lower-level criminal justice and law enforcement classes.

good, it SHOULD come up, we SHOULDNT ruin mens careers/futures for going to parties and having sex with culturally-defined consenting adults

i mean

one of my roomates had this whistle blown at him

the solution is to just

go to the police

so I get med

@pukeblood my best friend was falsely accused to.

On a *somewhat* related topic, my friend who is probably as left as one can be without going full-on "SJW" was called a racist recently.

extreme-left is racism, how left are they?

@JadenFrostwolf Rascism seems to be an ill-defined and poorly understood term these days. I went to weird high school with a lot of poor black kids (basically the school was situated such that it drew a middle class white population and poor black population