Message from @JadenFrostwolf

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2018-01-21 17:29:23 UTC  

Yeah.

2018-01-21 17:29:41 UTC  

considering the following qualifiers, you need to be *pretty* drunk

2018-01-21 17:30:06 UTC  

but they dont extrapolate on that, which has probably caused some issue

2018-01-21 17:32:01 UTC  

@pukeblood, i interpret that to mean that alcohol can negat consent, which i agree with. You don't think that it means it must right? That is to say that being drunk means you can't consent full stop.

2018-01-21 17:32:19 UTC  

Degree and context matter

2018-01-21 17:33:09 UTC  

Yeah. There's a difference between having a couple drinks or smoking some pot, and being five bottles in and doing a much harder substance.

2018-01-21 17:33:57 UTC  

And even then id hesitate to call consensual sex with a long term boyfriend with whom you do hard drugs assault

2018-01-21 17:34:01 UTC  

I dont see how I couldve been interpreted as 1 drink = no agency

2018-01-21 17:34:22 UTC  

@pukeblood "according to WHO it does"

2018-01-21 17:34:36 UTC  

yeah their definition is right there lmao

2018-01-21 17:34:42 UTC  

all it says is "while drunk"

2018-01-21 17:34:57 UTC  

it CAN be interpreted that way, thats a problem

2018-01-21 17:35:09 UTC  

yes, so our discussion was over whether context and degree mattered. My statement was meant to be read as more or less 1 drink = no agency

2018-01-21 17:35:21 UTC  

"Drunk" means different things to different people, basically.

2018-01-21 17:37:20 UTC  

also from WHO; http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/terminology/who_lexicon/en/
"Intoxication is highly dependent on the type and dose of drug and is influenced by an individual's level of tolerance and other factors. Frequently, a drug is taken in order to achieve a desired degree of intoxication. The behavioural expression of a given level of intoxication is strongly influenced by cultural and personal expectations about the effects of the drug."

2018-01-21 17:41:15 UTC  

obviously these cases need to be solved uniquely, regarding the drinking ones, meanwhile a majority of the problem stems from relationship abuse and that doesnt seem to have come up in all the activism surrounding rape culture

2018-01-21 17:41:47 UTC  

@pukeblood, in my experience its a major topic of discussion amongst people informed on the topic

2018-01-21 17:41:48 UTC  

we trivialize drunk sex because its socially acceptable, even according to the CSA study, but I dont think we trivialize relationship abuse

2018-01-21 17:42:51 UTC  

Even less so when it comes to men. I know that is kind of out-of-nowhere, but even going off of that study, I don't think it's a leap in logic to assume that a lot of male victims of abuse don't report what is happening to them.

2018-01-21 17:43:43 UTC  

Laci Green for example, talks about this a bunch

2018-01-21 17:44:48 UTC  

Aside from the studies, for the sake of clarity, my only real "experience" with these kinds of issues is what I leaned while attending some lower-level criminal justice and law enforcement classes.

2018-01-21 17:45:02 UTC  

good, it SHOULD come up, we SHOULDNT ruin mens careers/futures for going to parties and having sex with culturally-defined consenting adults

2018-01-21 17:45:35 UTC  

i mean

2018-01-21 17:45:36 UTC  

one of my roomates had this whistle blown at him

2018-01-21 17:45:38 UTC  

the solution is to just

2018-01-21 17:45:43 UTC  

go to the police

2018-01-21 17:45:46 UTC  

so I get med

2018-01-21 17:46:24 UTC  

@pukeblood my best friend was falsely accused to.

2018-01-21 17:47:13 UTC  

On a *somewhat* related topic, my friend who is probably as left as one can be without going full-on "SJW" was called a racist recently.

2018-01-21 17:47:45 UTC  

extreme-left is racism, how left are they?

2018-01-21 17:48:12 UTC  

@JadenFrostwolf Rascism seems to be an ill-defined and poorly understood term these days. I went to weird high school with a lot of poor black kids (basically the school was situated such that it drew a middle class white population and poor black population

2018-01-21 17:48:24 UTC  

I would say "typical college indoctrinate" level, but not quite that far?

2018-01-21 17:48:27 UTC  

My friends said i was being rascist when i said the black kids were the kids who did all the fighting.

2018-01-21 17:48:32 UTC  

Facts ain't rascist yo

2018-01-21 17:48:43 UTC  

ooo but "hate facts" are

2018-01-21 17:49:22 UTC  

What he essentially said was that the children of Chinese immigrants might have a hard time adjusting to our culture.

2018-01-21 17:49:34 UTC  

That's it.

2018-01-21 17:50:29 UTC  

yeah ive seen people say "I like asian women" referring to dating preference, be called racist

2018-01-21 17:50:48 UTC  

stupid racist penis

2018-01-21 17:51:07 UTC  

Hey man, keep your holocaust cock away from us

2018-01-21 17:51:19 UTC  

Genocide by sexual preference ain't cool