Message from @Enigmus

Discord ID: 405179831861510144


2018-01-23 01:56:39 UTC  

If the alternative is everyone else

2018-01-23 01:56:42 UTC  

Its not just my opinion, I am giving my rationale and you are rejecting it.

2018-01-23 01:56:52 UTC  

"My rationale"

2018-01-23 01:56:55 UTC  

"My"

2018-01-23 01:57:15 UTC  

"Accept my opinion as I dress it up as irrefutable fact!"

2018-01-23 01:57:26 UTC  

no you aren't

2018-01-23 01:57:29 UTC  

"You don't see it as fact? But I cannot fathom!"

2018-01-23 01:57:50 UTC  

you are trying to guilt people into accepting that Altrusim's definition is to be leeched off ot

2018-01-23 01:57:52 UTC  

*of

2018-01-23 01:57:54 UTC  

and it's not

2018-01-23 01:58:00 UTC  

and it isn't working

2018-01-23 01:58:33 UTC  

no, altruism's definition is to allow yourself to be leeched off of.

2018-01-23 01:58:45 UTC  

no it's not

2018-01-23 01:58:51 UTC  

because it neccessitates a sacrifice.

2018-01-23 01:58:53 UTC  

it's definition is to willingly help a person

2018-01-23 01:59:24 UTC  

you are the one not wanting to see it for what it truly is and are trying to force people to see it your way.

2018-01-23 01:59:27 UTC  

but who says that a society can't be altruistic but the people not?

2018-01-23 01:59:39 UTC  

Basically, what I was trying to get at is this: if I have to sacrifice for the good of humanity, sign me up. I don't even care if I'm being leeched off of, it's a purposeful leeching I fully consent to. And if the situation were to ever arise, I would never, in a _million years_ think of only myself. I'd be apprehensive as all hell, but I wouldn't _not_ sacrifice.

2018-01-23 01:59:40 UTC  

if you force a person to pay for someone and have them be dependent on you, it's not Altruism

2018-01-23 01:59:49 UTC  

I'm giving a part of myself to something I believe in.

2018-01-23 01:59:59 UTC  

And that's the part absolutely no one could ever take away from me.

2018-01-23 02:00:10 UTC  

In any concievable situation.

2018-01-23 02:00:27 UTC  

The part of me _wanting_ to make changes for the betterment of my kind.

2018-01-23 02:00:44 UTC  

but you are included in your kind

2018-01-23 02:00:57 UTC  

so you still are not performing a sacrifice.

2018-01-23 02:00:57 UTC  

"One of us suffers, so all of us must suffer"

2018-01-23 02:01:07 UTC  

It sounds a lot like naivety.

2018-01-23 02:01:08 UTC  

> wants to not be a degenerate
> is degenerate

2018-01-23 02:01:09 UTC  

same

2018-01-23 02:01:13 UTC  

>>

2018-01-23 02:01:47 UTC  

I make the choice. And in the end, no one's going to take that choice away from me if the need ever arises.

2018-01-23 02:01:51 UTC  

as Aristotle famously said, things are what they are, not what we want them to be.

2018-01-23 02:02:02 UTC  

go ahead

2018-01-23 02:02:07 UTC  

I'm going to have to direct you to the same quote.

2018-01-23 02:02:08 UTC  

I support your choice

2018-01-23 02:03:01 UTC  

I feel like you _want_ there not to be tough choices like that, and a bigger picture to consider. If someone wants to live for themselves, they can go right on ahead. Otherwise, the sacrifice and other sacrifices will have been for nothing.

2018-01-23 02:03:55 UTC  

but what if the society neccessitates sacrifice? like with the welfare system? they can't live for themself.

2018-01-23 02:04:21 UTC  

then they need to be taught how to live on their own

2018-01-23 02:04:27 UTC  

fuck off

2018-01-23 02:04:30 UTC  

they will die and you know it

2018-01-23 02:04:52 UTC  

you are undermining the purpose and value of division of labour