mmm. as far as US politics go, I just had a thought cross my mind

'Progressives are people who haven't had a chance to be conservatives yet'.

I.E. any accusations that Conservatives are 'afraid of change' are bunk, because if progressives were to get their way overnight, they'd have the same labels as conservatives now.

progressives are people who can not think for themselves

Not really.

I'd argue both sides suffer that.

depends... there ARE conservatives that can think for themselves... not that many but they exist

but yes, both have the tendency to sound like parrots

its Optimists vs Pessimists

Progressives see changes as "It MIGHT work, we better try it"
Conservatives see changes as "It MIGHT NOT work, we better not try it"

and they shut off any other thought, i'm with Falko on this one
Any rational person can be reasoned with and if a change is reasonable they'll agree

which is why we have accepted gayness, as opposed to throwing those people off of roofs

if you give me a policy proposal i look at it, look at the risk/reward and then make my mind up based on that.

exactly

And that's not even to mention the corporate interests and lobbyists being involved.

those are just using people as a means to an end, wahtever works for their income they'll stand with

pretty much like every single person does, no one votes for what they believe is bad for them

for example: i personally do not think that civilians should be allowed to own guns (with VERY specific exceptions). but if i look at the US it obvious that it is impossible to get rid of all the guns (especially the illegal ones) which makes the risk of a ban outweigh the reward.

Pew Pew Bang Bang.

On Christmas, I received my permit (because the state regulates firearms excessively). :3

SHALL NOT, etc.

Next month, I attend a safety-course!

what state?

The United States' most gerrymandered one.

Maryland?

👍🏽

http://planning.maryland.gov/PDF/OurProducts/Redistrict/CongDist/District/Color_Map/2002CongDistNoRoads.jpg

The 2nd & 4th Districts appear awkward, but the 3rd proves comical.

gun regulation in germany: only for police, military, hunters (hunting rifles only) and security personnel...

So it goes.

There exist more private security officers than police in the United States.

and most of the police in the US would probably not be able to become police officers in germany...

Why?

Simply incorrect, about german gunlegislation

They could.

http://planning.maryland.gov/PDF/OurProducts/Redistrict/CongDist/District/Color_Map/CongDistColor100Dist.shtml

somi, what is wrong about it?

Issue is the typical german police officer has been in training for about three years before finally becoming an officer? Whereas in the US the typical training time is about six months.

There's a fuckton more people that own guns in Germany than just those groups.

It's simply not correct that there's no such thing as recreational gun ownership in Germany.

yeah, 3 years training and physical and mental tests to before you can even begin training

One professor from Germany stated there exists a "right to technology" in Germany that grants arriving refugees iPhones, though he specialized in economics so that may prove unreliable.

Nope.