Message from @Grenade123

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2018-04-09 03:05:59 UTC  

war actually tends to be more of a pride or fear thing

2018-04-09 03:06:50 UTC  

really? you believe these leaders to be that stupid?

2018-04-09 03:07:01 UTC  

WW1 lasted so long cause no one wanted to back out once it started

2018-04-09 03:07:06 UTC  

"neighber is getting dangerous, better kill them while im still stronger" "im so powerful i have right to anything i see"

2018-04-09 03:07:20 UTC  

emotions are not stupid, they are aside of inteligence

2018-04-09 03:07:25 UTC  

Yes

2018-04-09 03:07:31 UTC  

caeser was a genius

2018-04-09 03:07:33 UTC  

"im so powerful i have right to anything i see" <- this is a war land someone wants

2018-04-09 03:07:40 UTC  

over land*

2018-04-09 03:08:03 UTC  

its not about the land though, its about the claim

2018-04-09 03:08:40 UTC  

back in the day people would create monuments specificly stating the size of their empire and challanging anyone to rival it

2018-04-09 03:08:55 UTC  

those people dident get empires like that by being fools

2018-04-09 03:09:27 UTC  

but a claim like that isn't starting a war.

2018-04-09 03:09:30 UTC  

ill say were consiterably mild compared to then

2018-04-09 03:09:35 UTC  

Even in cases where it was over land, what do they want the land for?

2018-04-09 03:10:35 UTC  

i mean napolian only wanted to one up alexander, and he got away with trying it twice colapsing frances economy twice

2018-04-09 03:11:32 UTC  

even hitler was only interested in europe because it was a matter of pride to reclaim the sutendatenland

2018-04-09 03:11:54 UTC  

_fucking butchered that language_

2018-04-09 03:12:11 UTC  

i don't really care about why someone wants land. At the end of the day, its because someone wants land.

2018-04-09 03:12:21 UTC  

some times its pride, sometimes its resources.

2018-04-09 03:12:39 UTC  

so the question is, what land does russia want and why?

2018-04-09 03:12:51 UTC  

it seems like they want the old USSR back

2018-04-09 03:13:08 UTC  

which i highly doubt would lead to a real WW3

2018-04-09 03:13:14 UTC  

most times its pride, its usually resources when the opposing faction is absolutely so weak they are consitered another species to the conquirer or its soviet russia

2018-04-09 03:13:38 UTC  

or the mongols

2018-04-09 03:14:24 UTC  

eh the mongols it was a matter that once the khan united the tribes the only way to keep them together was to send them to war

2018-04-09 03:14:27 UTC  

they seem more content to be cheeky bastards and hide behind "local" forces. If they wanted WW3, they'd have out right invaded people by now.

2018-04-09 03:14:35 UTC  

same thing happened with atilla

2018-04-09 03:15:33 UTC  

america is also one of those rare places that only wars for land and doesent care about anything else

2018-04-09 03:15:46 UTC  

because we are ruled by nihilistic capitalists

2018-04-09 03:16:16 UTC  

the good of the people is in spite of progress not the goal in the land of oppertunity

2018-04-09 03:16:17 UTC  

they want land so any future enemy doesn't have it

2018-04-09 03:17:04 UTC  

or you know, to keep our uncontroled consumerism ever more bountiful

2018-04-09 03:17:38 UTC  

theres a reason we use a disproportionate amount of oil compared to our population

2018-04-09 03:18:00 UTC  

you gotta burn money to make money

2018-04-09 03:18:40 UTC  

or it could just be our general power usage

2018-04-09 03:20:13 UTC  

yes

2018-04-09 15:34:53 UTC  

I mean, war is pretty much a zero sum game.

2018-04-09 15:35:03 UTC  

Anything you gain, is a loss for someone elese.

2018-04-09 15:35:24 UTC  

Even resources you gain in land you already own, more resources is an advantage over ones adversary.

2018-04-09 15:35:38 UTC  

So I guess its kinda resonable and paranoid to think that way.