Message from @Arch-Fiend
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you can't really get past it; it's one of those `team` style things
most people ARE moderate,
due to social media the extremist level partisans just managed to not be "a single idiot",
And the media reinforces that "theres more than you think" delusion by reporting on it because they know it sells,
and as a result, you have those in power actually believing it, and making changes accordingly
Well, that's the point I made before
You've got the initiated on each side that are loyal to their party, or their ideals, and then you've got the uninitiated majority that go the path of least resistance
The left is winning the culture war by making right-leaning ideas unacceptable.
For instance, you can see this in places like John Oliver, where people are outraged that 'Crisis Pregnancy Centers' are trying to 'trick' people into not having abortions.
well, its because the left has the "moral highground"
People want to "be good"
and the majority are naive enough to think that others actually care
liek that these hollywood celebrities actually care that much about society/environment
if you want to "be good" you have to use your brain and not blindly follow the idiots that yell the loudest
no, thats being right
people would rather be good than be right
and you are good, if you have people say you are good
left, right, center, extreme, or moderate. the question is if people feel like they can get what they want with negotiation still. once you have a state of being where society is divided up between people who will accept only zero compramise their only option left for getting anything they want is force or disassociation. no amount of optomism changes this, deescolation seems to these people to be weakness, like your trying to get them to cave in and lose what they are fighting for, it doesent work nomatter how nice it would be if it id because deescolation doesent offer a solution, it just trys to keep the people who are supose to be working together for a solution from killing eachother before the solution is found. if the nation ever gets to the point it can no longer be the united states, then it would be better off not being the united states anymore less you have needless bloodshed in the name of "solidarity"
i say let the left and right have their own countrys, then they can do things their own way and prove their ideologys as successful or not and avoid killing eachother needlessly
thats extremism, No middle ground, no compromise, just either with us, or the enemy
Also, splitting up like that won't work, you'll just get the exact same issue again, the world WAS split liek that (West - Right) (East - Left/Soviet)
both sides slowly switched to the center, and then flipped to the other side
the fix is actual rational conversation
Have people talk, and actually learn that the majority of the Other side shares so much in common, and then build on that
the silent majority needs to speak out against no compromise, and take action. Politicians, if you can prove you have enough voters on your position to maybe swing elections, are easy enough to manipulate. But you can't be silent.
you will get those issues again
but we do tend to get the same issues again and again
'The majority' is silent and passive. They are not a factor in the world of politics.
the majority just wants to be left alone
and if they want to be left alone, they need to speak up now or end up in a world where they are never left alone
the majority are all those things, but i think also the majority agrees with someone. not as a whole, but every person agree with someone. if the majority never agreed with someone you wouldent be able to have wars with so many people involved instigated by these extremist groups who cant stand to live with eachother. they eventually command the middle to kill eachother in order to get to their opponents
boiling frog issue,
They want to be left alone, but its not happening fast enough 😦 so they don't get shocked into action
if you bulkanize a region based on incompatible ideological groups, what you do is give them a completely different situation they have to deal with other than simply fighting with their opponents to get what they want and ultimately never accomplish anything due to the balance of power. you get many more people who agree with eachother in the position to actually do something about their own existance and then you as a person can choose which side you want to live in.
weve lived to long in a state of "we wont try anything until everyone agrees to it"
at some point you need to let people do what they want, extremism comes from people having ideas in a system they have no hope to ever see those ideas ever be applied. the ideologically neutral world we currently live in kind of suppresses any idea from being consittered and leaves ideas to sit festering, growing more and more toxic until they choose to get what they want or die trying
that just sounds like SJW'ism 101,
What i want isn't being done! so i'm being oppressed
im discribing how people are not whether it is a good or bad thing that they are like this. as far as im conserned thats irrelivent, people dont care what you think of them when they think they need to do whatever it takes to get what they want
a, right, my bad then
i thought you were suggesting it as a solution 😛
it is a solution
well, a bad one
you have a better one to deal with people who dont accept compramise and also make up half your population?
yes
implement a constitution based on what everyone agrees on,
And give the rest the freedom to do what they wish provided it doesn't hurt/affect other people
people dont agree on anything
the only way youll get them to agree on anything is by having a different constitution for each side, in which case why not have a different country for each side?
because at that point you might aswell resort to full blown anarchy,
Because amongst those people who don't agree with side A, you'll have disagreement
So side B will want to split to side BA and BB
And those will want to split into BAA and BAB, BBA and BBB, and so forth