There is no historic context that I am leaving out

like imagine if you heard in the news that X killed B, you would think that X is a bad person and B is a victim and you would feel bad for him

then you hear on another news source that B was trying to rob X and it turned violent, and X killed B in self defense

I don't understand the scenario since it doens't apply here

In the verses I mentioned above, it would be more applicable to say

"A mob boss ordered his followers to kill civilians. His followers then killed some civilians"

more like

Did you even read the verses I sent?

Wait, what are you even trying to say? That islam *isnt* violent? Or that I am ignoring some historical context that would explain why islam is violent

"A religious leader and his people were oppressed and kicked out of their land for having a different opinion on religion than the leaders of that land, then said leaders stole their belongings and tortured their family members that did not leave the land, so God gave them the green right to take back what was theirs in the first place"

@Deleted User I have read the entire Quran multiple times

Lol what

That's not the origins of Islam at all

Muhammad was a heretic that was kicked out of Medina for preaching an unpopular religion

look up the story of Mohammed and Al Hijra (The Migration to Yathrib) story

Then he fled to Mekka

And preached his beliefs there

He gained a following

Conquered Medina

read what the oppressive leaders of Mecca and specifically the (Quraish) tribe did to him and his people

And began forcibly conquered the rest of the middle east

no he did not conquer Medina

Yes he did

That is historically documented

he went to Medina with just 73 people, and the people of Medina welcomed him and his people and chose him as a leader

hello hello

how could he conquer an entire town with just 73 people, many of whom are women and children?

what's going on here

Wait, sorry. It's the other way around

have some common sense mate

He was kicked out of Mecca and converted the people in Medina

Then he conquered Mecca

he did not conquer mecca because mecca was his land in the first place

when he came back to Mecca, he did not shed a single drop of blood, even though he could've

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca

GG @Deleted User, you just advanced to level 7!

the people of Mecca, who oppressed him and kicked Mohammed and his people out of his land

"The conquest of Mecca (Arabic: فتح مكة‎ fatḥ makkah) refers to the event when Mecca was conquered by Muslims led by Muhammad in December 629 or January 630 AD,[3][4] (Julian), 10-20 Ramadan, 8 AH.[3]"

oh a muslim debate

what's the point of this then?

@quinnn He's saying that islam is a religion of peace or something (I'm not sure what he is trying to say)

But if you scroll up you can look at the verses I got from the Quran