Message from @Othman

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2019-12-07 12:38:54 UTC  

Furhtermore, Deuteronomy is in the old testament, and it is no longer necessary for Christians to follow mandates in the old testament. They were absolved of these regulations when Christ died

2019-12-07 12:41:33 UTC  

@Othman Islam is only an amazing book if you prescribe to religious warfare. Which isn't something I inherently see as bad. But it's not something you can ignore

2019-12-07 12:42:25 UTC  

`Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture` - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. (9:29)

2019-12-07 12:42:45 UTC  

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. `May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?` (9:30)

2019-12-07 12:43:58 UTC  

Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And `fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively.` And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him]. (9:36)

2019-12-07 12:46:10 UTC  

`Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah` . But `if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.` (2:193)

2019-12-07 12:48:00 UTC  

Ask the Children of Israel how many a sign of evidence We have given them. And `whoever exchanges the favor of Allah [for disbelief] after it has come to him - then indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.`
(2:211)

2019-12-07 13:54:25 UTC  

@Deleted User so you're gonna do the exact same thing that @Small Man did and just mention verses without any historical context? Even though I just stated why that's a dumb idea and does actually portray the actual message of the verse?

2019-12-07 13:54:41 UTC  

?

2019-12-07 13:54:46 UTC  

What exactly am I leaving out?

2019-12-07 13:55:11 UTC  

Allah mandates that people fight unbelievers until they are submitted into paying the Jizya

2019-12-07 13:55:27 UTC  

There is no historic context that I am leaving out

2019-12-07 13:55:37 UTC  

like imagine if you heard in the news that X killed B, you would think that X is a bad person and B is a victim and you would feel bad for him

2019-12-07 13:55:55 UTC  

then you hear on another news source that B was trying to rob X and it turned violent, and X killed B in self defense

2019-12-07 13:55:55 UTC  

I don't understand the scenario since it doens't apply here

2019-12-07 13:56:50 UTC  

In the verses I mentioned above, it would be more applicable to say

"A mob boss ordered his followers to kill civilians. His followers then killed some civilians"

2019-12-07 13:57:03 UTC  

more like

2019-12-07 13:57:20 UTC  

Did you even read the verses I sent?

2019-12-07 13:57:46 UTC  

Wait, what are you even trying to say? That islam *isnt* violent? Or that I am ignoring some historical context that would explain why islam is violent

2019-12-07 13:58:16 UTC  

"A religious leader and his people were oppressed and kicked out of their land for having a different opinion on religion than the leaders of that land, then said leaders stole their belongings and tortured their family members that did not leave the land, so God gave them the green right to take back what was theirs in the first place"

2019-12-07 13:58:26 UTC  

@Deleted User I have read the entire Quran multiple times

2019-12-07 13:58:33 UTC  

Lol what

2019-12-07 13:58:41 UTC  

That's not the origins of Islam at all

2019-12-07 13:58:55 UTC  

Muhammad was a heretic that was kicked out of Medina for preaching an unpopular religion

2019-12-07 13:59:00 UTC  

look up the story of Mohammed and Al Hijra (The Migration to Yathrib) story

2019-12-07 13:59:03 UTC  

Then he fled to Mekka

2019-12-07 13:59:07 UTC  

And preached his beliefs there

2019-12-07 13:59:10 UTC  

He gained a following

2019-12-07 13:59:13 UTC  

Conquered Medina

2019-12-07 13:59:19 UTC  

read what the oppressive leaders of Mecca and specifically the (Quraish) tribe did to him and his people

2019-12-07 13:59:21 UTC  

And began forcibly conquered the rest of the middle east

2019-12-07 13:59:26 UTC  

no he did not conquer Medina

2019-12-07 13:59:30 UTC  

Yes he did

2019-12-07 13:59:35 UTC  

That is historically documented

2019-12-07 13:59:43 UTC  

he went to Medina with just 73 people, and the people of Medina welcomed him and his people and chose him as a leader

2019-12-07 13:59:55 UTC  

hello hello

2019-12-07 13:59:59 UTC  

how could he conquer an entire town with just 73 people, many of whom are women and children?

2019-12-07 13:59:59 UTC  

what's going on here

2019-12-07 14:00:10 UTC  

Wait, sorry. It's the other way around

2019-12-07 14:00:12 UTC  

have some common sense mate

2019-12-07 14:00:22 UTC  

He was kicked out of Mecca and converted the people in Medina