Message from @Othman
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Furhtermore, Deuteronomy is in the old testament, and it is no longer necessary for Christians to follow mandates in the old testament. They were absolved of these regulations when Christ died
@Othman Islam is only an amazing book if you prescribe to religious warfare. Which isn't something I inherently see as bad. But it's not something you can ignore
`Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture` - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. (9:29)
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. `May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?` (9:30)
Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And `fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively.` And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him]. (9:36)
`Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah` . But `if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.` (2:193)
Ask the Children of Israel how many a sign of evidence We have given them. And `whoever exchanges the favor of Allah [for disbelief] after it has come to him - then indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.`
(2:211)
@Deleted User so you're gonna do the exact same thing that @Small Man did and just mention verses without any historical context? Even though I just stated why that's a dumb idea and does actually portray the actual message of the verse?
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What exactly am I leaving out?
Allah mandates that people fight unbelievers until they are submitted into paying the Jizya
There is no historic context that I am leaving out
like imagine if you heard in the news that X killed B, you would think that X is a bad person and B is a victim and you would feel bad for him
then you hear on another news source that B was trying to rob X and it turned violent, and X killed B in self defense
I don't understand the scenario since it doens't apply here
In the verses I mentioned above, it would be more applicable to say
"A mob boss ordered his followers to kill civilians. His followers then killed some civilians"
more like
Did you even read the verses I sent?
Wait, what are you even trying to say? That islam *isnt* violent? Or that I am ignoring some historical context that would explain why islam is violent
"A religious leader and his people were oppressed and kicked out of their land for having a different opinion on religion than the leaders of that land, then said leaders stole their belongings and tortured their family members that did not leave the land, so God gave them the green right to take back what was theirs in the first place"
Lol what
That's not the origins of Islam at all
Muhammad was a heretic that was kicked out of Medina for preaching an unpopular religion
look up the story of Mohammed and Al Hijra (The Migration to Yathrib) story
Then he fled to Mekka
And preached his beliefs there
He gained a following
Conquered Medina
read what the oppressive leaders of Mecca and specifically the (Quraish) tribe did to him and his people
And began forcibly conquered the rest of the middle east
no he did not conquer Medina
Yes he did
That is historically documented
he went to Medina with just 73 people, and the people of Medina welcomed him and his people and chose him as a leader
hello hello
how could he conquer an entire town with just 73 people, many of whom are women and children?
what's going on here
Wait, sorry. It's the other way around
have some common sense mate
He was kicked out of Mecca and converted the people in Medina