Message from @RyeNorth
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idk what you are talking about
@RyeNorth this is why i want to break up the benefits and protections into different pieces with different criteria.
rather than needing a giant list of exceptions and different clauses.
"want to raise a kid? be under the same roof with at least 1 other person, you get these benefits for as long as the kid is under working age. (or legal age, or whatever age we decide is good enough)"
"living together in an environment that is basically no different than a married couple, even if you guys are just friends? Here, get these benefits"
Let it be known, I don't actually think being gay is moral, but it's none of my business what two people do, and valid points have been made for the basic protections. At the same time, most of the incidents such as this that have put the right under a under attack has been an attempt to undermine marriage anyway. And it's not your average same sex couple that does it. I don't think that marriage should be ruined for those who wish to partake in it, nor do I think they should be required to marry two people they disagree with. Secularizing marriage is the best way to preserve liberties without destroying tradition.
in other-words, the government ruined marriage
as they do everything they touch eventually
imagine my shock
You're not entirely wrong
The real problems come from reactionary meddling without foresight
government itself is reactionary meddling.
i think government is just a tool,
The issue lies that the overwhelming majority has no interest in what is being done, not know how, nor care to participate
As long as they FEEL like things are going well
So all you need is a group of people to lie and tell people what they wanna hear
And then you can just control things with peoples blessing
Secularizing would not be a drastic change in text, what revolutionary socially
But revolutionary
Essentially, it disarms the debate without any real significant changes being made
And puts government in its place, that's always good
isnt the US govt secularized already
it is the ppl that are not atheist but there is little to do about that
I mean they vote for "christian" politicians
That's where the whole system goes autistic
isnt it in paper 100% secular
The same people arguing separation of church and state incorrectly I might add, or arguing for the state to force the church to do things
what institutions are you talking about
its secular in technicality.
for example, there is no real proof that marriage was only between a man and a woman for only religious reasons. However, it also had no defense for those benefits for being kept between a man and a woman for secular reasons
If church and state are separate than any religious argument against gay marriage must be considered moot
As far as legislation goes
my point is not religious
That means the state has to give ground
I was making the point that perhaps gay relationships are regressive for humanity
I am an atheist
As far as legislation goes marriage laws are designed to offer people an incentive to have children
the only reason would be just the benefits for having kids. and it would then be argued that they would never have a kid to qualify for them anyway
Because without a new generation populating the country the country weakens
exactly
However
Homosexual couples don’t produce children
and I assume they cant raise them very well either
even if they dopt