The real problems come from reactionary meddling without foresight

government itself is reactionary meddling.

i think government is just a tool,

The issue lies that the overwhelming majority has no interest in what is being done, not know how, nor care to participate
As long as they FEEL like things are going well

So all you need is a group of people to lie and tell people what they wanna hear
And then you can just control things with peoples blessing

Secularizing would not be a drastic change in text, what revolutionary socially

But revolutionary

Essentially, it disarms the debate without any real significant changes being made

And puts government in its place, that's always good

isnt the US govt secularized already

it is the ppl that are not atheist but there is little to do about that

I mean they vote for "christian" politicians

It is secularized, except when it comes to Old institutions that aren't.

That's where the whole system goes autistic

isnt it in paper 100% secular

The same people arguing separation of church and state incorrectly I might add, or arguing for the state to force the church to do things

what institutions are you talking about

its secular in technicality.

for example, there is no real proof that marriage was only between a man and a woman for only religious reasons. However, it also had no defense for those benefits for being kept between a man and a woman for secular reasons

If church and state are separate than any religious argument against gay marriage must be considered moot

As far as legislation goes

my point is not religious

That means the state has to give ground

I was making the point that perhaps gay relationships are regressive for humanity

I am an atheist

As far as legislation goes marriage laws are designed to offer people an incentive to have children

the only reason would be just the benefits for having kids. and it would then be argued that they would never have a kid to qualify for them anyway

Because without a new generation populating the country the country weakens

exactly

However

Homosexual couples don’t produce children

and I assume they cant raise them very well either

even if they dopt

adopt*

They actually can

Homosexual couples are just as good at being parents as straight couples

I doubt that very much

technically homosexual couples can produce children. its just one parent would have to adopt the child, as it would most likely be mother/father by a surrogate

out side normal adoption

The study that deemed them worse was horseshit because it compared gay parents to intact straight parents which is inherently flawed when gay marriage isn’t legal thus gay households aren’t as stable

It depends on if they're trying to make political statements with their children.

why would gay couples be less stable because they cant marry?

Gay parents did just as well as unmarried straight households