Message from @Timcast

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2018-06-17 11:43:42 UTC  

so what your saying is real fascists lack ambition.

2018-06-17 11:45:41 UTC  

Real fascist think their should be a strong authoritarian nationalistic goverment whether it be civic or ethno.

2018-06-17 11:47:48 UTC  

Aren't ANTIFA also anarchists?

2018-06-17 11:48:19 UTC  

no

2018-06-17 11:48:25 UTC  

Maybe they lack ambition, or maybe they’re more practical. Dominating a nation is easier than dominating the planet.

2018-06-17 11:48:26 UTC  

#notall

2018-06-17 11:48:56 UTC  

Antifa is a coalition of people who are against fascism.

2018-06-17 11:49:05 UTC  

Antifa has all kinds of people. Mostly anarchist though.

2018-06-17 11:49:10 UTC  

Antifa started in the Nordic nations and spread to America and even India. I'd say they aren't all that lazy

2018-06-17 11:50:17 UTC  

(((They))) are good at spreading bad ideas, just look how far (((they))) spread communism.

2018-06-17 11:53:58 UTC  

It’s important to note that Antifa is a recruitment tactic that communist have used since WW2 . This NYT article covers it.

“ When New York City was the capital of American communism “ by Maurice Isserman on The New York Times Red Century 5/40

Whimsical look back on the highest point of power for communism in America, and its center of power, NYC. It also highlights a communist tactic of using immigrants and Anti-fascist alliances for recruitment. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?

http://archive.today/eFGGl

2018-06-17 12:14:25 UTC  

but Antifa recruits for both sides,

they recruit communists on their side, and through their actions they scare people to the opposite faction

2018-06-17 12:16:08 UTC  

antifa is not mostly anarchist

2018-06-17 12:16:11 UTC  

they are mostly communist

2018-06-17 12:16:15 UTC  

some might claim to be anarchists

2018-06-17 12:16:23 UTC  

but anarchists, real ones, dont use force against others

2018-06-17 12:16:37 UTC  

Isn't antifa Socialist?

since antifa wants a state to solve their things, communists don't want a "state" anymore

2018-06-17 12:16:47 UTC  

antifa is literally the name of an organization founded by the communist party of germany in the 1930s

2018-06-17 12:17:03 UTC  

(well... the full name is)

2018-06-17 12:17:22 UTC  

they are authoritarian communists

2018-06-17 12:17:27 UTC  

and the far left is fucking evil

2018-06-17 12:17:32 UTC  

they use words like "anti racist"

2018-06-17 12:17:34 UTC  

while being racist as fuck

2018-06-17 12:17:47 UTC  

and anti fascist while pushing for a drastically similar political situation

2018-06-17 12:18:02 UTC  

can't be evil if you're "fighting evil"

Cuz only good fights evil

or something like that :p

2018-06-17 12:18:04 UTC  

they change the meaning of words on purpose to confuse the layman

2018-06-17 12:20:48 UTC  

the people that founded the german 1980s antifa have either moved on and are anti-antifa now or were complete ideologs from the beginning.

2018-06-17 12:21:44 UTC  

I don't think its to "confuse" per say, but more to broaden the definition, because then you get to define the boundries whenver you please

When i say "We" for example, i can mean either we in this chat right now, we on this channel, we as the "sane" people, we as the world, we as humanity

2018-06-17 12:22:22 UTC  

this is shown by how they call others racist, but they're not being racist themselves, because they changed the meaning of racism to just be a vague term they can define on a whim

2018-06-17 12:23:11 UTC  

and the "confusion" you're talking about is the tactic of STAYING vague,

So that the person who you're trying to convince fills in the gaps themselves

2018-06-17 12:24:30 UTC  

it is to confuse people... you take a bad word, broaden the scope, call someone on the fringes of the broadened definition out and the layman assumes that the person called out is part of the initial definition

2018-06-17 12:25:22 UTC  

yeah but i don't see that as confusing, i see it as staying vague so a person will fill in the gaps of information themselves

2018-06-17 12:25:41 UTC  

Or narrow a bad word to apply to specific kinds of people

2018-06-17 12:25:43 UTC  

"they change the meaning of words on purpose to confuse the layman" this is a happy side-effect of post-modernism. you can deconstruct any text to give it any meaning you want.

2018-06-17 12:25:51 UTC  

Like "racism"

2018-06-17 12:26:47 UTC  

nah... staying vague is not really the same as broaden the meaning of a word, i think

2018-06-17 12:26:48 UTC  

like that Jesse Lee Peterson interview where he asks a woman wheres the proof of "white privilege" and she responds with "All around, i just wish i'd seen it before"

And when he asks to define it, she can't, and only gets appalled that he "can't see it"

2018-06-17 12:27:24 UTC  

The above audiobook is a great resource for anyone wanting to really understand how we got here.

2018-06-17 12:27:40 UTC  

On quora every person "discovering white privilege" seems to have a personal story, and nothing else

2018-06-17 12:27:57 UTC  

well its not the same, staying vague is a tactic

You broaden the meaning, but don't define the outer bounds, so that when you don't give any extra information, a layman will use their own definition to apply at what you're pointing to