people need to define asylum

being poor in a poor country is not oppression

it is defined, its just used interchangably, when it shouldnt

no but MS13 is killing people

gangs in honduras hunt and kill ppl

is it the responsibility for the US to take care of the gangs?

on college campuses theres asylum ... and I think the inmates are running it

@Radcliffe depends on if you count the cartels and gangs as being as violent as rebel groups in a civil war or not.

yeah exactly

i get the feeling that many of the people that want us to take in migrants en masse are the same that want the US to stay out of other countries

Isn't MS13 just a gang? Do they count as a widespread problem in mexico?

They're a vicious, brutal gang, but do they count as a widespread army like ISIS or the Taliban?

@Deleted User MS13 is pretty big if i recall

maybe... hang on Im just thinking this through so it might come out weird....
what if, instead of paying for a $17bn ineffective wall... they pay $17bn to mexico (a figure which would fluctuate depending on how many get through) .. but basically pay mexico to stop people before they get through

"Mara Salvatrucha, also known as MS-13, is an international criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles, California, in the 1980s. The gang later spread to many parts of the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, and Central America, and is active in urban and suburban areas. Most members are of Central American origin, principally El Salvador."

Yeah, that's not gonna work

then if mexico want their huge sums of money they have to be active on the border

its incentivising

They're not gonna be. They gotta fix their own country first

pretty sure that if they started in mexico, you'd call them a cartel

or if they were Italian, a mafia

so really depends on how violent they are, or if they are a valid reason to see asylum.

Do people running from mexico afraid of MS13 count as refugees, like the afghans who ran from the taliban?

well, MS13 is more american based.

its more the drug cartels

That doesn't matter, are they as widespread and dangerous to classify as a threat to every single citizen?

For example, the Taliban stoned men to death for crimes such as not having their beards a certain length

do you consider drug cartels a threat to every single citizen in mexico?

drug cartels kill you for your land

I don't know, which is why i'm asking

I've only heard about MS13's brutality, not about their aims

they will kill you if they think you are threat, in the way, or refuse them service.

depending on the cartel obviously

people fleeing MS13 would be more likely heading to Europe or Canada than mexico

or coming from mexico

at the vary least if a family came from mexico claiming political asylum from a drug cartel, i'd consider it viable. they are the law in some parts.

Damn. What would you say the limit would be for the number of refugees the US can allow?

You would hope the number of children that were separated would give a sense of how much illegal immigration there is, but people only focused on the act of separation.

Personally, I'd fight back, but I don't think everyone can do that

Dosent help that they are not as well armed

depends, we could leave them in the middle of the desert, put a fence around them, and say figure it out but we will try and keep you kind of safe from the people who hate you, as much as we have empty desert. but outside that, maybe between 1-3 long term refuge families per city or town? and they would have to be sent out to those places to try and keep them spread out to force integration if they want to stay here