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2018-06-29 12:46:41 UTC  

Class based profiling also makes sense

2018-06-29 12:47:03 UTC  

Or even location based

2018-06-29 12:48:06 UTC  

im not a police officer however if i was at a crime scene compiling evidence, if there was a certain kind of crime this evidence pointed strongly toward then that might be the first avenue i pursue, and then perhaps that crime is more common among certain groups (racial or not) of people and then that may also potentally help the investigation

2018-06-29 12:48:10 UTC  

its a narrow line, but there IS good reason for racial too, because you need it for scientific elimination,

2018-06-29 12:49:08 UTC  

Say you're looking at a crime area, and the overwhelming majority is black people, You have to find out WHY that is
You shouldn't act on it and just assume "oh, majority is black, therefore ALL black"
But you should eliminate as much factors as you can

2018-06-29 12:49:24 UTC  

gang crime often points to minoritys in the us so thats why its a statistic, if it doesent then it would probably also point to class and location

2018-06-29 12:49:37 UTC  

@Arch-Fiend but all crime is popular among all groups. It seems as wide as profiling people by blood type

2018-06-29 12:49:49 UTC  

yeah thats not true

2018-06-29 12:49:57 UTC  

its not equal by any means

2018-06-29 12:50:05 UTC  

I see the point of community based profiling

2018-06-29 12:50:09 UTC  

Like a ghetto

2018-06-29 12:50:20 UTC  

But by race?

2018-06-29 12:50:51 UTC  

weve literally compiled statistics that imply racial biases to certain crimes

2018-06-29 12:51:17 UTC  

Maybe for data that is used by politicians, I suppose. But I don't see the practical purpose, you know?

2018-06-29 12:51:44 UTC  

there is a practical purpose, but people don't wanna discuss it openly because its considered racist

2018-06-29 12:51:49 UTC  

its not something we prosicute on, like they dont just pull a random person off the street, but when you have a gang crime you look for a minority first until you have evidence telling you shouldent

2018-06-29 12:52:04 UTC  

thats just how it is

2018-06-29 12:52:23 UTC  

Now that I think about it, there's a few situations I can think of where race can be used

2018-06-29 12:52:30 UTC  

Like if a gang shooting happens

2018-06-29 12:53:08 UTC  

the only reason we know gang violence is related to race is because we compiled statistics for it, before that we only had intuition

2018-06-29 12:53:27 UTC  

I know, I get it

2018-06-29 12:53:49 UTC  

I just didn't consider all scenarios

2018-06-29 12:54:12 UTC  

obviously the usefulness for any amount of profiling has be known to law enforcement for a long time though which is why profiling and compiling statistics is a very old method of investigation

2018-06-29 12:55:09 UTC  

at this point we just record everything we imagine to be useful

2018-06-29 12:55:55 UTC  

if a white person is killed with a note left "death to white people" and the body is found in a minority dominate area, does it make sense to look at white people first?

2018-06-29 12:56:10 UTC  

well

2018-06-29 12:56:18 UTC  

i mean, if you find out the deceased knew an SJW who was white thats a bit different

2018-06-29 12:56:23 UTC  

but

2018-06-29 12:57:25 UTC  

i think hate crimes against white people while not new have the potental to have new cercomstances that might change how they are profiled

2018-06-29 12:57:43 UTC  

or not, certainly 10 years ago youd be looking for anyone but a white person

2018-06-29 12:58:17 UTC  

yeah

2018-06-29 12:58:41 UTC  

now when there is a supposed hate crime, you need to look at the group it was commited against first

2018-06-29 12:58:47 UTC  

given the number of hoax hate crimes

2018-06-29 14:04:49 UTC  

Democratic socialism is different from social democracy, right? From my understanding, one is about replacing capitalism, and the other is about reforming it.

2018-06-29 14:13:12 UTC  

lets face it, both are about replacing it

2018-06-29 14:14:22 UTC  

the only change is
"We're TAKING your money for others"

Is changed to

"We're GIVING your money to others"

2018-06-29 14:21:46 UTC  

yea

2018-06-29 14:21:49 UTC  

DSA is anti capitalist

2018-06-29 14:21:56 UTC  

wants to give means of production to workers

2018-06-29 14:26:33 UTC  

I've just wondered if people are mixing up their terms when they say "democratic socialism."

2018-06-29 14:27:54 UTC  

Are they against private property, for instance?