But this has gone horribly side bar

There was still more middle east east of Israel

And even if they owned everything there would be reason to plot against rome

Seeing as they had almost literally Just been conquered before jesus was born

And then had wars after too

So I would say even Jews had a reason to plot against rome

Conquered 67 years before. That's not necessarily "just"

The Jews, most of them, did everything in their power to stop Christianity from spreading

They actually murdered "Christians"

And warred 66 years after

And never became independent again until 1948

They still were openly hostile

Uh no

Unrest is not open war

So... Jews conspired to overthrow Rome... by killing a guy, involving hundreds if not thousands of other random people... then afterwards, they try to actively stop their own conspiracy by killing it's followers?

Is that what you're claiming?

So which is your argument today? Christianity is just a really elaborate scheme invented by some Parthians or Chinese to overthrow Rome? Or it was invented by some nice guy to bring world peace? Or invented by a small group of people to control the world?

Your proof not mine

But I guess Jewish Roman Wars does sound only like unrest...

I haven't argued anything other than Christianity might not be the TRUE religion and gave theorys on how it could be possible

You are treating them like I believe them

For whatever reason

None of which happened in the lifetime of Jesus

The hostility was still there

In fact it was a generation later

There would be subversive elements everywhere to aid a conspiracy

The possibility was there

If you want to construct a better theory be my guest.

Fact is Christianity was treated as a subversive element and hunted and persecuted mercilessly and there were no shortage of people who would like to see that happen.

Which means it's far less likely to have been a world peace movement or an attempt to overthrow the Romans

Especially when it teaches the opposite of both

I have a third option. It's real.

Goal wasnt either of those things hypothetically. It was to destabilize. It wasnt meant to overthrow Rome by itself, justopen more opportunities.

But of course your stance would be provable when ever Jesus gets back. If he ever does.

And it didn't do that at all

It's also very unlikely that two million people will give their lives, and another five million put themselves in danger, to put an elaborate conspiracy by foreigners into action

They weren't just Jews, there were also Greeks, Syrians, Romans etc

Third pope, Anacletus, was a Roman, born in the capital itself

As was the fourth, Clement, and was mentioned in the NT in fact

Second pope, Linus, also mentioned by Paul, was from Volterra