Message from @Iakovos

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2019-05-25 00:45:39 UTC  

Eastern Orthodox theology calls Mary the Theotokos, which means God-bearer. This term emphasizes Mary's status as the mother of God incarnate in Jesus but not the mother of God from eternity.

2019-05-25 00:46:55 UTC  

@Deleted User I know Catholics believe in immaculate conception, that she was sinless until she birthed Jesus

2019-05-25 00:47:16 UTC  

I know orthodox don't believe that. Was she eternally a virgin?

2019-05-25 00:49:44 UTC  

We Orthodox believe that the Panagia was conceived and born in a state of sin since she is a human being just like the rest of us. Only Christ was free of sin. We do venerate the Panagia highly though. She is the holiest of all the Saints and is like a member of our families. We do believe that the Panagia committed no actual personal sins. We believe that both through God’s grace and her free cooperation with God’s grace – both go together- she committed no sin. We believe she overcame every temptation to sin and thus remained ever pure, even in her mind and soul. There is a synergy, a cooperation, going on between God and the Panagia. She exercises her free will to respond to God

2019-05-25 00:57:03 UTC  

@Deleted User @Ragnarok do I have to accept immaculate conception to be Catholic? I do believe the Virgin Mary to be holy and pure, hence, "Hail Mary, full of grace." However, I can't find myself to see her as without original sin. She is merely human after all.

If God can save her from original sin, why didn't he do it for the rest of us? Instead, Christ's sacrifice even sanctified her.

2019-05-25 00:57:38 UTC  

@Iakovos yes you do

2019-05-25 00:57:48 UTC  

That falls under papal infallibility

2019-05-25 00:57:52 UTC  

Even Aquinas rejected it.

2019-05-25 00:57:57 UTC  

Remember what Elizabeth said

2019-05-25 00:58:03 UTC  

What did she say?

2019-05-25 00:58:51 UTC  
2019-05-25 00:59:46 UTC  

Read this, this is from Aquinas

2019-05-25 01:04:11 UTC  

Also Rag @Ragnarok priest said apostasy can be forgiven.

2019-05-25 01:04:36 UTC  

Is this true? As long as one repents, despite Hebrews 6:4? The book of James says it can, too.

2019-05-25 01:05:08 UTC  

Then ask him why Hebrews appears to say something different

2019-05-25 01:05:19 UTC  

Check the scriptures higher

2019-05-25 01:05:22 UTC  

Technically you are not an apostate of the Church because you never left Catholicism

2019-05-25 01:05:27 UTC  

apostasy isn't a mortal sin

2019-05-25 01:05:43 UTC  

Denouncing Christ is.

2019-05-25 01:05:55 UTC  

Remember the 12 apostoles

2019-05-25 01:05:59 UTC  

Denying the sanctification of your baptism is.

2019-05-25 01:06:03 UTC  

one denounced christ in his time of need

2019-05-25 01:06:09 UTC  

True.

2019-05-25 01:06:15 UTC  

yet not only he was accepted in paradise

2019-05-25 01:06:22 UTC  

he carried on the will of Christ

2019-05-25 01:06:36 UTC  

And Christ did say, "Whoever denies me I will deny before my Father."

2019-05-25 01:06:42 UTC  

And Christ forgave Peter.

2019-05-25 01:07:04 UTC  

I have said before, and I will say it again

2019-05-25 01:07:16 UTC  

Christ will and ALWAYS wait for someone to find his way back

2019-05-25 01:07:52 UTC  

But even now we sleep in faith awaiting the bridegroom. The marriage between Church and Christ.

2019-05-25 01:08:34 UTC  

That will happen in his second coming, yet you have to understand

2019-05-25 01:08:56 UTC  

that your faith inside you is what matters mostly

2019-05-25 01:09:02 UTC  

your connection to god

2019-05-25 01:09:12 UTC  

I know. The lamp oil.

2019-05-25 01:10:06 UTC  

If you believe that your apostasy have severed the connection you have with God, you could ask a your local pastor/priest for guidance on fasting and daily prayer

2019-05-25 01:12:03 UTC  

But now that you have returned back to the light don't worry, god will stand with you and help you on your journey

2019-05-25 01:12:28 UTC  

I asked my priest to pray for me.

2019-05-25 01:13:12 UTC  

I may join the Catholic Church to be confirmed and partake of the Eucharist, but I will be exploring Orthodoxy.

2019-05-25 01:13:48 UTC  

Since Catholics believe that Orthodox are valid, immaculate conception doesn't seem necessary for Heaven.