Message from @Iakovos

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2019-06-09 00:50:36 UTC  

Even free of personal sin?

2019-06-09 00:50:37 UTC  

From where do we get Original Sin?

2019-06-09 00:50:50 UTC  

Original sin is fine, but certainly she could have sinned.

2019-06-09 00:51:17 UTC  

@Deleted User So to understand, the eastern churches that joined papism still have the same beliefs as the orthodox churches that didn't joined?

2019-06-09 00:51:34 UTC  

On the original sin route... I assume you mean from being descendants of Adam and Eve?

2019-06-09 00:51:43 UTC  

@Deleted User it's not called papism.

2019-06-09 00:51:54 UTC  

papacy

2019-06-09 00:52:09 UTC  

Then since Jesus didn’t have an earthly father, he didn’t get original sin?

2019-06-09 00:52:10 UTC  

I like the Orthodox interpretation. We inherit the *condition* of original sin, and the consequences/mortality. Not the guilt of original sin.

2019-06-09 00:52:12 UTC  

Eastern churches that are in communion with Rome have the same beliefs as other Catholics but their "rite" is generally the same as Orthodox

2019-06-09 00:52:38 UTC  

Greek Orthodox, and Byzantine Catholic, have the same liturgical rites

2019-06-09 00:53:04 UTC  

Rag is the Orthodox interpretation of original sin the same as Catholic?

2019-06-09 00:53:11 UTC  

Doesn’t it actually say in the NT that because Adam sinned, we’ve all sinned and the wages of sin is death?

2019-06-09 00:53:36 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451601956755210241/587081818898038817/15600415999881870755538.jpg

2019-06-09 00:53:39 UTC  

So Adam was likely immortal before he sinned.

2019-06-09 00:53:43 UTC  

This is a Catholic Church

2019-06-09 00:53:57 UTC  

Yeah Remus. For the whole like 2 days he didn’t 🤣

2019-06-09 00:54:00 UTC  

@Deleted User answer my question

2019-06-09 00:54:07 UTC  

@Iakovos yes and yes. Our interpretation is the same but Orthodox explain things sometimes differently

2019-06-09 00:54:17 UTC  

@Andrules Concerning the original—or “first”—sin, that commited by Adam and Eve, Orthodoxy believes that, while everyone bears the consequences of the first sin, the foremost of which is death, only Adam and Eve are guilty of that sin.

2019-06-09 00:54:18 UTC  

@Andrules we don't know how much time had passed. perhaps years.

2019-06-09 00:54:27 UTC  

Orthodox is more "mystical" and Catholic is more "logical" I guess

2019-06-09 00:54:47 UTC  

But the belief is basically the same

2019-06-09 00:54:49 UTC  

@Deleted User More or less yes

2019-06-09 00:55:12 UTC  

So Catholics and Orthodox share the same interpretation in original sin?

2019-06-09 00:55:20 UTC  

It has more to do with historical philosophies and culture. Remember that the Orthodox were mostly Greeks at one time.

2019-06-09 00:55:26 UTC  

Greek philosophy etc

2019-06-09 00:55:33 UTC  

Our churches are more mystical in a sense, hence the holy light in Easter etc

2019-06-09 00:56:28 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451601956755210241/587082550032203930/15600417775611088429456.jpg

2019-06-09 00:56:35 UTC  

Here is another Catholic Church

2019-06-09 00:56:56 UTC  

That looks mostly as our churches

2019-06-09 00:56:56 UTC  

Most but not all ECs were once Orthodox

2019-06-09 00:57:06 UTC  

Rag.

2019-06-09 00:57:06 UTC  

Yeah

2019-06-09 00:57:07 UTC  

Do

2019-06-09 00:57:11 UTC  

Orthodox

2019-06-09 00:57:13 UTC  

and Catholics

2019-06-09 00:57:14 UTC  

share

2019-06-09 00:57:14 UTC  

the

2019-06-09 00:57:15 UTC  

same

2019-06-09 00:57:15 UTC  

As I said, same liturgical rite